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make resources infinite in mines
T-888:
--- Quote from: Trokanis on February 02, 2013, 02:47:03 pm ---Ok so T-888 posted that there is a ton of High quality stuff in the mines, that's great, too bad that has nothing to do with what we're discussing, which is the absence of Low quality stuff in mines.
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Yeah, of course I don't understand anything were talking about and you sure aren't missing the whole.
Completely missing the whole point, I wrote.
--- Quote from: T-888 on February 02, 2013, 01:43:30 pm ---I just went to Gecko mine and nobody touches the truly valuable resources that could be traded for a lot of metal parts/alloys and other resources in general.
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See, you could make up for the lack of metal parts and just trade one resource for another, you know actually trade with other people basically find alternatives and play the goddamn game ...
--- Quote from: T-888 on February 02, 2013, 01:43:30 pm --- It is funny that players don't bother to check other mines and consider alternative ways how to obtain the resources they lack. Simply put, players aren't adapting to the game, they want to see changes rather than adapt their play-style.
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You rather whine on the forum than actually solve the problem, which you could easily do in no time and be swimming in metal parts and resources you lack with not much effort, but you have a hard time figuring something out.
--- Quote from: Trokanis on February 02, 2013, 02:47:03 pm ---So this thread is about how we can hopefully make things better for resource gathering since there are some of us that feel the current system isn't working.
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I don't give a damn what you feel.
--- Quote from: Trokanis on February 02, 2013, 02:47:03 pm ---This system fair? A few people with time can camp all the resources the rest get nothing? Sorry must be something about different parts of the world. There will ALWAYS be alt madness, *barring some way to remove alts* Right now it's in FR, TC, before it was in gathering. But at least back then a low level newbie could go into NCR Mine and get enough to craft something to actually start playing the game.
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This system is fair, those who get the resources get to use them and decide what to do with them. Can't get resources? Try later, find an alternative, play the game. Stop this bullshit about new players, there are plenty of alternatives how to start playing and you are again over-exaggerating, that now every and single new player can't get resources, I said to spare me this bullshit previously.
Your reason is not well put, resources are plenty and nobody has to revolve around only public guarded mines, get the fuck over it.
--- Quote from: Trokanis on February 02, 2013, 02:47:03 pm ---Please, for the love of all that is holy, we understand you think the system is better than the last, we understand you're at least tolerant of the current system, can you please let us discuss how we might make it better for the rest of us. Your posts are just hundreds of words saying pretty much the same thing as your previous posts, "We're all wrong, we don't know anything, other way sucked..." I doubt there is a single person who has actually read this thread that Doesn't know your feelings on the subject. Let's get back to Topic. I've said how I think it could work better, at least as a broad stroke idea, I would love to continue hashing out the details with people interested in a better way.
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Man what the fuck is wrong you with people, I say the same over and over, because you don't get the point. There is no indication that something is wrong with the current system at all, I see only some whining and far-fetched arguments about new players incapability to do anything, now your saying that you need this system better for everyone. So, what is the issue, you can't revolve around purely crafting and be a factory by yourself?
Working better? Fix something which working already? Right? It's just a mad fine concept, I've seen it before ruin good features.
I did however argument everything I said, you just have a hard time comprehending it and you boil down all that to.
--- Quote from: Trokanis on February 02, 2013, 02:47:03 pm ---We're all wrong, we don't know anything, other way sucked...
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Simply you don't have any answers to what I have to say, you just keep blabbing some shit.
--- Quote from: Trokanis on February 02, 2013, 02:47:03 pm ---BTW it's great you have millions of electronic parts ( ::) ) I personally don't have the time to constantly go back and forth to get a crap ton of stuff, I kinda want to do more in the game.
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Nobody needs that much stuff.
--- Quote from: DeputyDope on February 02, 2013, 02:55:09 pm ---bottom line is, this system is flawed, because just one person can get every resource in the mine while the rest just pound rocks with "resources are depleted" message.
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See he just talks some bullshit, no matter what I have said and I will say, people have hard time of comprehending.
--- Quote from: T-888 on February 02, 2013, 01:43:30 pm ---Everyone has an equal chance to compete, just get it.
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--- Quote from: T-888 on February 02, 2013, 02:46:09 am ---The one who is camping the mines cleans them out for profit and I see that as a very good thing, because it promotes competition around resources and also raises the value of items produced from these resources as they get more scarce.
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DeputyDope:
ok, plenty of ways to get started. i agree. abuse reno blowjob bug at the start of the season. oh, it got nerfed after it got exploited to death by guys like you.
what's wrong with the fact that you can have an ALTERNATIVE to sciencing/farming?
that's the problem - resources AREN'T plenty. not for everyone. and when there's 50 players on the server and resouces still get depleted, there's a problem.
will you leave the game if there's infinite resources in mines? no. will a new player leave the game because he can't craft a 10mm pistol? yes. see the difference, you arrogant ass?
Trokanis:
Yeah Dope that is one of the big issues One person can camp and take it all leaving nothing for fresh players. I would have considered the idea of just taking a bunch of the higher quality stuff and trying to trade for it, the problem still remains there isn't as much low quality floating around. I can imagine some new player hiking all the way up to BH or Gecko getting a ton of HQ stuff then going to NCR and waiting to trade for LQ stuff, man that sounds like a great way to play a game. I really don't think infinite without some sort of restriction though is the way to go. Maybe a 30min or more cooldown. Cause you're right there are already a ton of other forced cooldowns in game.
If they can't return to a version of the old way, how do you feel about Resource nodes spawning in encounters? That might be a viable alternative, though it is just more spamming encounters, it's better than not getting ANY resources.
War may never change but boy this system should lol. ;)
T-888:
--- Quote from: DeputyDope on February 02, 2013, 03:57:57 pm ---what's wrong with the fact that you can have an ALTERNATIVE to sciencing/farming?
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And you do have the alternative and it good enough to be one. That is what you don't understand.
--- Quote from: DeputyDope on February 02, 2013, 03:57:57 pm ---that's the problem - resources AREN'T plenty. not for everyone. and when there's 50 players on the server and resouces still get depleted, there's a problem.
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Resources are just fine, the daily amount of resources accumulated through these mines in total is just immense, if you can't get the resources by mines, for the fucking ten thousand time, you can revolve around alternatives, you can find players who could sell it you for example.
Instead players don't want to adapt their play-style, you just want to be able to revolve only around crafting, you want the game to be the way you see fit for yourself.
--- Quote from: DeputyDope on February 02, 2013, 03:57:57 pm ---will you leave the game if there's infinite resources in mines? no. will a new player leave the game because he can't craft a 10mm pistol? yes. see the difference, you arrogant ass?
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If there will be infinitive resources in mines, it will get boring real quickly and value of these items will drop very fast and by a large margin.
New player will be and is able to craft necessary items and if not there are alternatives to get started of what you aren't aware it seems.
Do I need to make a new alt and go to some mines and do it and show screens to prove to you, because you are not capable of comprehending your own over-exaggeration?
--- Quote from: Trokanis on February 02, 2013, 04:03:21 pm ---I would have considered the idea of just taking a bunch of the higher quality stuff and trying to trade for itle alternative
War may never change but boy this system should lol. ;)
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I see this is hopeless, you are hopeless.
DeputyDope:
--- Quote from: T-888 on February 02, 2013, 04:10:43 pm ---
Do I need to make a new alt and go to some mines and do it and show screens to prove to you, because you are not capable of comprehending your own over-exaggeration?
I see this is hopeless, you are hopeless.
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do i need to prove to you that taking all the resources from NCR mine for example can only craft you one, maybe 2 m60's? that you can lose anyway in 2 seconds? do i need to make one or two characters for each mine in order to get resources?
fights this season are so many and so intense you can waste a few days worth of farming in one night.
are you that scared of an overabundance of 10mm pistol noobs trying to kill you in full gear in TC? don't make me laugh. advanced gear takes advanced workbenches which are mostly in unsafe places anyway and to top it off, advanced gear requires blueprints.
anyway, point proven. you avoided answering my question, so i assume you won't leave the game if resources are infinite while others do.
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