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JovankaB:

--- Quote from: Trokanis on January 25, 2013, 01:50:20 pm ---To get the rep for Gunrunners you have to either have a gang so you can run the Guard quest, or run boxes til you go blind, and you still have to maintain that reputation once you get it.
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And yet you defend the system, although instead of "going blind" with grinding reputation it could
be a simple repeatable PvE instance for the crafter that you enter when you need to craft the HQ
things. Funny. Sometimes I think players have some kind of weird complex where the victims can't
imagine life without their oppressors anymore.

T-888:
Wait, having a repeatable quest as an instance to earn the reputation is a good option, just not that the workbench would be actually be there in the instance, otherwise it would lose the whole point of having them tied to Gunrunners or any kind of faction.

You previously stated.


--- Quote from: JovankaB on January 25, 2013, 12:42:52 pm --- It would be ideal if you have to risk the materials, so maybe the advanced
workbench should be inside the instanced PvE location instead of gunrunners.

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Trokanis:

--- Quote from: JovankaB on January 25, 2013, 02:10:17 pm ---And yet you defend the system, although instead of "going blind" with grinding reputation it could
be a simple repeatable PvE instance for the crafter that you enter when you need to craft the HQ
things. Funny. Sometimes I think players have some kind of weird complex where the victims can't
imagine life without their oppressors anymore.

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I don't quite understand, I defended the Current system yes.  I called in to question the apparent need to continue to remove things from players.  I then suggested a parallel with the current Gunrunners workbench to the proposed BoS workbench, as a counterpoint to your statement about how easy it is to become a member of the BoS.  Though making the BoS require questing similar to the Gunrunners probably defeats the attempt of this suggested addition to the game, other than the BoS base is a little closer to civilization.

Things were really not that bad in previous seasons, and it raises a fair amount of concern in me as to this mindset of needing to continue to nerf things.  We all understand the crafting/gathering system needs tweaking, I just hope it can be done without taking more things from the players.

JovankaB:

--- Quote from: T-888 on January 25, 2013, 02:26:45 pm ---Wait, having a repeatable quest as an instance to earn the reputation is a good option, just not that the workbench would be actually be there in the instance, otherwise it would lose the whole point of having them tied to Gunrunners or any kind of faction.
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Actually possible solutions are rather easy to imagine, you just need some imagination
for that. E.g. gunrunners wouldn't allow anyone unless they were proven to be worthy
- with entrance to small "instanced dungeon" undergrounds in the gunrunner shop and
exit on the island. You could go back by simply talking to the soldier on the bridge.

Although I suppose logging off on island should kick you to WM, or you could bring more
mats with non-crafter.

Alternative could be "Hell no, we don't allow strangers to use our advanced equipment,
but you know what, in bunker below there is one workbench we don't use - if you manage
to survive there, then go ahead.".

Trokanis:
So you're saying an instanced area with an Adv. Workbench, just like SAD, and Mariposa, except you need to have good standing with Gunrunners to get in?  Seems a little redundant.  Unless of course it's single person/group, similar to say the Dog's of LA quest.  That isn't so bad and it would at least help inspire crafters to be able to use a weapon.  Gotta kill them damn rats/deathclaws somehow.

Edited while you were posting Jovanka, sorry wasn't fast enough, I see what you were saying.

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