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If it ain't broke don't fix it
JovankaB:
--- Quote from: avv on December 09, 2012, 11:48:43 pm ---There are two ways to help the people with less time:
Either you have infinite time to prepare like now.
Or the ceiling of preparing is lower, meaning that high end stuff like gatlings, avengers, hard drugs, best armors and so on are deleted. So that you basically have a pvp set after killing a single unity patrol.
Loners will be loners. I think it's completely plausible that in 2238 world there are self-sufficient individuals. It doesn't matter that they farm alone because they will add to the game in their own way. But they can't do that if they can't get the stuff in first place.
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The 2nd session lasted less than 3 months and the loners were just fine and I don't
remember anyone complaining that they can't farm hundreds of armors and don't
have 30 bases and 15 cars. Don't remember anyone complaining about wipe either.
Next 2 sessions were pretty short too.
You feel insecure about it, because you look at the game from present perspective,
where you have dozens of alts, 20+ bases, thousands of items, dozens of cars...
there is no reason to consider it "normal" or good that you have thousands of items
that you will most likely never use this session. If you just want to fight, fight, fight
not to think about anything else, there is Hinkly.
I see nothing wrong with it, if you would have to balance producing/farming and
fighting. It could be part of the game, especially that only the gangs who want
to win the session would have to think about it, nothing would change for anyone
else. It's not like loners have some winning condition now.
The biggest thing that would require tweaking IMO would be how easily BPs can be
found and maybe speed of regeneration of resources in mines. And perhaps the
gunrunners workbench should be removed or somehow made less secure (e.g. you
could have to go through unsecured area to get there).
gr1m-:
--- Quote from: T-888 on December 10, 2012, 08:54:46 am ---Gr1m you won't convince yourself that you aren't yourself. I mean what the fuck? I remember you defending this opinion, precisely the same, with precisely the emphasis on certain words. Don't tell me it's a coincidence and your some new player or something, recently registered and talking like having played this whole session and even more. I can't discuss something with someone knowing he might be talking with me through multiple forum accounts, it's fucking retarded. I can't pretend I don't know.
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Maybe because they keep blocking everytime I write one posts, its back to one account for one post becuase my fat man account got banned.
Look I understand soldiers of thunderstorm play good becuase you do everything together, you go everywhere with your friends and this has work well for you, you give advice how to prevent such things. If people work together and not screw eachother over they would have more gear than if they raped a base I get that. You guys are good becuase of this, but as somebody who didn't really play with a huge long time faction last session, who wasn't in any huge faction such as yours I had a hard time trying to find people to play with that wouldn't dick me over and people quit leave go seperate ways quit the game etc, and it has left me doing everything solo.
But most likely if the game goes in jovankas suggestion of 3 month wipes with highly competitive stat bored maybe the hawks might try working together like SoT then that would work I would do that with them But for most part when you start losing numbers try to recruit make alliances etc and sometimes you get the griefer kid who wants to steal stuff for lolz.
I agreed with your post what are you attacking me for? I think its the stupidest thing ever when a person goes lolz didn't read becuase its the size of page in a book. I mean my god I've read 1,000 page books for school and people are going to be stupid say oh its to long didn't read but... whatever
I am getting a headache from the constant attacks and trolling. You wrote a wall of text people made stupid trollish comments, and I suggest writing paragraphs.
I liked jovankas idea, I am not out to troll and say mean things about everything a developer suggests... Some things just aggreviate me and I say harsh things, I get trolled get into a flame war then get banned its the same stupid thing over and over.
T-888:
I hope you don't get banned automatically or something, I wouldn't want to talk to you on another forum account. Learn some moderation and don't get banned.
--- Quote from: gyspyjew059105 on December 10, 2012, 07:57:48 am ---I think 3 month wipes and random changes here and there could work if the farming was easily done for everything. Like you farm drugs, caps and stuff by farming NPCs not tedius crafting and spending 5 months trying to find random blue prints to get that one that is truly needed.
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If the logistics for FR based PvP would vanish ... that is the main problem of why so much grind is attached to this session. Other than that, I think it's easier than previous session, noting that blueprints were never meant to be gained like this. They were meant to be attached for quests, so generally most of them would be relatively easy to obtain, not sure whether developers still up to pursue this, now that they are attached to two dungeons.
--- Quote from: gyspyjew059105 on December 10, 2012, 07:57:48 am ---A fast paced stat game on which gang does the best is a pretty good idea for those who are interested in the competition. But the thing that will always set this back and why people go solo like myself and AVV is because of base rapes. All it takes is 1 little new recruit who you think is some friendly guy to steal it all set you back another week, really I think this encourages more griefing and trolling, and gangs sabotage trolling eachother would make people quit not bring back players.
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--- Quote from: JovankaB on December 10, 2012, 09:14:02 am ---"normal" or good that you have thousands of items
that you will most likely never use this session
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We've been talking about this before, find at least few guys who can trust each other and it is going to dramatically decrease the grind attached to the game. I've noticed from screens of individual players, that they usually have some sort of item surplus, it's more effectively used by a group of players, unless someone is too greedy and can't share. :)
This is of course only my opinion, though if I presume your absolutely right for a moment, what do you propose? Making stuff easy to obtain, so players have easier time of recovering from base rapes or easier time of not interacting with other players? Is there there a third option? Most likely not. :P
--- Quote from: gyspyjew059105 on December 10, 2012, 07:57:48 am ---Remember this is a game of mixture of PvP and PvE players, so there needs to be rewards that fit the needs of both not just PvP or just PvE.
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The main idea and focus is on player factions, the game once presumed a faction mod and factions consisting of players witch do player oriented activities, where the hell do you get vs environment? Sure it's part of the game, but it doesn't support the competitive side, witch is main point of all this, unless I understood it wrong?
gr1m02:
--- Quote from: T-888 on December 10, 2012, 09:32:22 am ---I hope you don't get banned automatically or something, I wouldn't want to talk to you on another forum account. Learn some moderation and don't get banned.
The main idea and focus is on player factions, the game once presumed a faction mod and factions consisting of players witch do player oriented activities, where the hell do you get vs environment? Sure it's part of the game, but it doesn't support the competitive side, witch is main point of all this, unless I understood it wrong?
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Yes this is getting really stupid I know, I cant even reply on PMs when they do this. This is the type of stupid shit I put up with all day long from these people.
Well some people aren't not big power gaming pvp apes like us, they play this game to meet in NCR go on hunts try to farm things on their own, play for crafting. Some people do not like PvP and just enjoy hunting unity or raiders for example and this is all they do. And why I suggest maybe some goofy stat awards like best base decoration and which faction base has the most caps would also appeal to these players. If you want to fix the drop numbers and keep interesting in the game you have to appeal to differnt play styles.
T-888:
Not sure how a script would be able to determine esthetic values of some in game items orderly placed, it would be like telling a toaster to toast well looking bread with proper judgement. :)
The richest gang, I suppose it could be checked upon how much caps/resources distributed to the controlling faction through TC locker. Though as goofy, interesting it may sound for certain players, seems like a secondary thing witch can be expected to be of delayed implementation or ignored. There could be a statistic for the longest time of controlling faction for each city, but that would ultimately mean the faction witch has been in the most control, will have the most resources obtained. Having a separate statistic for that, is truly secondary.
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