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[avv]

Holy crap... while reading this thread I was feeling like, you know... hitting a little finger at a wall, hundred times in a row. If you know what I mean. So much sadness in seeing how degraded this community has become over the past 3 years. Shame on you, guys.

This doesn't really help you know. If you want to discuss issues, just pick one and we can talk about.

[Hovinko]

Yes, I will gladly send money to the developers as a thanks, for some hard work done in these 4 last years.

No, I will not send any money to cover server costs. There is no point in doing that. Let it die finally.
There is no progress, no future and no one cares about players who are actually playing this game. 

I was playing this game for more than 3 years. Yes playing it was fun, but mostly I was just looking forward to new changes, new features and another improves of gameplay. It was great, when there were patches every month or every 14 days, propably one of the best seasons.
Fonline 2238 is hardly finished, in some ways its very boring, imbalanced and bugged. And there is no hope, that it will get better anytime in the future.

So, why support dying project, which has no future? To prolong some other guys AC trolls fun? No thanks.

But devs, if you want money for a beer. I will gladly donate.
You earned my gratitude by some work you had done in these last years...

PS: If you dont want to work on server fine and if you do, you can do it even if its offline. Shut it down, do some work, turn it on again.

[-Fojtik-]

I have some old clothes and things for ejection. Please post me your delivery address I can donate too. At the same time some older computers moduls for better server performance.

[JovankaB]

You can keep your clothes. Thanks.

[jacky.]

jov we arent say we dont see devs didnt spend their time on this game but in this year whole comunity feel like they been ignored and like devs dont give a fuck about them. they made hundrest of topics to fix some simple hotfixes and they had to wait 6months for simple update. they get frustated because they dont have life and they became no life trolls. but devs should make some quick fixes and add armors and most of us will be happy.

remove wow with fo2238

<a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-DCCr9nDJYs" target="_blank">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-DCCr9nDJYs</a>

[Nice_Boat]

And to the rest of you - enjoy your free ride I guess (and it's fine really, just have a little bit of sense and at least don't call names people who in the last years spent hundreds of hours working on the game and solving your problems for free).

I'm going to reply specifically to this post because it simply rubbed me the wrong way and in my eyes it's one of the greatest sins a dev can make.

It's your game. Your problems. Acting like you're not competing on the market like every other game (commercial, indie, free, whatever) is delusional, you aren't doing anyone a favour more than, say, Call of Duty 35235 devs. The fact that your game is free doesn't make it a special snowflake, it simply makes it more attractive in some people's eyes but it's still a product people are willing or unwilling to support.

tl;dr version: you're the ones that should be fighting to have a big and happy playerbase, not the other way around. Otherwise your project is going to fail and it's not going to be my failure, it's not going to be Shangalar's failure, it's not going to be T-888's failure - it's going to be exclusively your failure and wasted effort. For us it's going to be at worst a slight disappointment because at some point in our lives we expected 2238 not to suck.

[Mike Crosser]

I'm going to reply specifically to this post because it simply rubbed me the wrong way and in my eyes it's one of the greatest sins a dev can make.

It's your game. Your problems. Acting like you're not competing on the market like every other game (commercial, indie, free, whatever) is delusional, you aren't doing anyone a favour more than, say, Call of Duty 35235 devs. The fact that your game is free doesn't make it a special snowflake, it simply makes it more attractive in some people's eyes but it's still a product people are willing or unwilling to support.

tl;dr version: you're the ones that should be fighting to have a big and happy playerbase, not the other way around. Otherwise your project is going to fail and it's not going to be my failure, it's not going to be Shangalar's failure, it's not going to be T-888's failure - it's going to be exclusively your failure and wasted effort. For us it's going to be at worst a slight disappointment because at some point in our lives we expected 2238 not to suck.

He has a point.

[naossano]

There were thousands of updates since january, included some controversial features (Blueprint, influence TC) that weren't perfect, but had the merit to try to change the server mechanics.
I won't list all features that i liked or didn't like, but you can't say the dev do nothing.

As for the AC cap, they said they would do it. That is the only thing we need to know.

Considering all the insult, trolling and disrespect, it is a miracle they keep communication and work.

[jacky.]

they made stupid featureas so people get mad and quit this game and they needed 5months to cancel their updates. the problem is they made so many troll features people get sick of it

[Crovax]

Considering all the insult, trolling and disrespect, it is a miracle they keep communication and work.

Communication? i haven't seen them do much of that other than some who only reply to argue with players. I haven't seen devs posting any useful feedback for some time.

[T-888]

is going to be exclusively your failure and wasted effort. For us it's going to be at worst a slight disappointment because at some point in our lives we expected 2238 not to suck.

But ... the problem is that they don't see it is a failure brief moment of insanity, from the developers point of view i understood that it is their hobby, sometimes it's been a project when someone gets motivated and sometimes it's a beta server to just cover for the failed and far-fetched features someone has been mashing up on the keyboard for hours and then doing the same to fix their own failures misdoings.

Okay, failures is such a insulting word for their hard work - misdoings, brief moment of insanity.

Solar working hard on armor class.
"Hmmm ... what will happen when i change this 90 to 9999 ..."
After 5 months of absence.
*angry mob of players on forum*
"Hmmm ... i guess i will now implement a magic potion to increase armor class."
Some month of absence and to be continued ...

I couldn't resist. Sorry.

2238 makes sense, yes and no. The server is up or down.

[Horatio]

Communication? i haven't seen them do much of that other than some who only reply to argue with players. I haven't seen devs posting any useful feedback for some time.

What?
http://fodev.net/forum/index.php/topic,26046.15.html
Way to go, Crovax, jump on the bandwagon and bash 'em. Are you participating in discussions like this or you go straight to the flames?

[jacky.]

better start topic when update...or when i can get ba/ea in this game and to fix ac trolls. plasma nades were nerfed, same sd bursters and everything was fine until ac trolls came out of nowhere...i dont get why they just cant block ac again, they messed so many builds in this sesion so few trolls would be crying but most of fo nolifers would be happy

[Crovax]

What?
http://fodev.net/forum/index.php/topic,26046.15.html
Way to go, Crovax, jump on the bandwagon and bash 'em. Are you participating in discussions like this or you go straight to the flames?

Congrats you found one thread in 2 years. i wasn't bashing anyone i just think they could give more feedback and it might even suppress a bit of the rage/trolling.

[Nice_Boat]

But ... the problem is that they don't see it is a failure, from a developers point of view (...)

Yeah, when you read some of their posts it becomes obvious they're disconnected from reality when it comes to how games work. I mean I understand they might see 2238 as a nice pet project that they like to work on, but it doesn't change whether it works as a game or doesn't. Games are supposed to be entertaining and to appeal to their target group - and who does 2238 really appeal to? How many people would write this game a stellar or even mediocre review right here, right now - and how many gaming magazines or even niche blogs would accept a positive review without losing credibility in front of their visitors?

The problem is nobody's asking these questions, it's just the same old ego-fueled story with some of the devs acting like 2238 is special as if the internet wasn't already full of free games. The reality is harsh - if a game sucks, it loses players and stops being played. Games are designed to be played, so if they fail at attracting people they are bad games. It really is as simple as that. And if the devs are hell-bent on disregarding everything (I mean negative support is still support, if you want your game to improve as a game it's infinitely better than silence which basically means your game is dead an nobody cares) and making a bad game that will cater to somewhere around ten or twenty people with some extremely weird tastes, they should just have the god-damn balls to finally admit it so that everyone else can finally know what to expect.