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[UbiValkin]

Revolution! I was thinking about this very very very long time, but only today I got this.
And there:
What you doing when mining/crafting?

(sorry for quote)

When i craft(more than half of the time when i am connected) it is simple :

Using hammer on minerals, watching craps on youtube for 5 minutes, then use hammer again, watching crap on youtube, etc.. So as you can see it is not really playing... it's loosen time. But i love this game so keep mining

This is how is crafting right now, it could be really better, but i can't imagine staying in front the game without go out of it for the amazing cooldown.

There's is:

You're a crafter/fighter. You have 110% small guns, 90% repair, 70% science.
You thinking: "Damn it! Again mining this damned minerals and ore for gun, which I'll waste in PvP or unlucky encounter with gang of maniacs in metal armor, damned alloys, time wasting! I lose my Real Life time (which is most important, 'cause we're not immortal) for... mining ore and minerals??? WTF? I want to play Fallout, not "Minecraft"!"
So...
1) You opening Fixboy.
2) You pressing on 5mm AP ammo.
3) It says: It'll take you to wait(you can do whatever you want this time, kill critters, even die or suicide with bombs in NCR  *I'll try to explain with my poor english below) X minutes and get Y exp(which will be consumed, so you'll not get any XP till limit), but you have damned low outdoorsman(for current mining type, it's a chance to meet someone, so it makes mining a bit slower), so you'll need to wait more Z minutes! And then, when X+Z minutes expired AND you earned Y exp, you need to come to any workbrench and you can get this damned ammo in your inventory and be happy, because you spent your time by PLAYING this game, not stupid alt+tabbing every 6 minutes.

*1) So, you simply getting crafting CD for 5mm AP for 35-36 minutes (can't remember exactly... it was long time ago...) instantly, and till it gets 0, you CAN'T pick other items to craft. So you can do whatever you want this 35-36 minutes.
2) About XPing, as I suggested before, you getting too much XP for crafting. This is opposite!!! You'll sacrifice earned XP for item. I mean, for example 5mm AP ammo gives you 420 XP. So, you need to get 420 XP after CD starts, and then when you get it, you'll start getting XP agan like normal play. So, to craft a gun, all you need is go kill critters/do quests/any way getting XP + wait till CD while you doing that, and then you going to any workbrench/machine/workbrench with add. tools, and getting your item!


About:
"They will abuse it with damned alts! They will start CD for every alt, and then fast get this XP!"
If it's possible, just freeze CD if character is offline.

[Lexx]

This sounds like what we got in the beginning. Craft something, wait for timer, craft next thing, wait for timer, etc.

[gordulan]

i think he means crafting without materials

[Lexx]

This would make the whole crafting system somewhat... flat, imo. Or let's say it this way: It's Eve Online skill learning system, just that you don't learn, you get items.

[UbiValkin]

This sounds like what we got in the beginning. Craft something, wait for timer, craft next thing, wait for timer, etc.

But what a problem? What players doing now? Watching youtube? What they will do with this? Play game. Also as I said they NEED to play, not WAIT, because to craft Minigun you need 3000 XP. I mean, you need to kill critters/do quests on 3k XP, and only then get your minigun in X minutes (+ may be more minutes, if your outdoorsman is low, but it's only balance for current system). So, it forces player to play!

[gordulan]

well, it does sound better than alt tabbing every 6 minutes for 1-5 hours (just beacause ou have a brahmin)

[vedaras]

I would like it more, if you could introduce mercs into crafting cause:
1 that would raise charisma need for everyone, no 90% players has 1 charisma.
2 that will shorten your waiting that we all dislike (for example if you have 10 charisma and five mercs you will have to wait 5 times less to get same ammount)
3 that will give mercs some use, cause now they do not help anywhere except in town control (because of relation in numbers between your group and encountered group), so mercs will help for solo players too not only for tc fights interested factions.

What about that?

P.s. i wouldnt mind if only slaves for example could gather materials for you (and as we know all critters have different stats, thus able to gather different materials), as slavers are pretty much useless now.

[UbiValkin]

This would make the whole crafting system somewhat... flat, imo.

We're playing Fallout Online, not "OreMineralMiningInBlueSuitWastingOurTime".
This game will have more drive, people will do anything except stupid waiting.

[gordulan]

the alt tabbing is one of the reasons i hardly play anymore until after the wipe, but then again, who needs crafting when you can loot the best small gun availible (not blocked by waves of angry people) in caves, i can eyeshot you just like that and if i die all i would lose in net worth would be some ammo since i have 50 or so snipers in my tent off topic, but still, i have no plans on just sitting like a duck for 5-7 hours and waiting so i can craft a measly sniper, or a monstrous minigun, or a shckingly effective plasma rifle when losing it takes 5-15 minutes (+- 5 minutes as an error) that pretty much sucks the life out of the game, and hopefully after the wipe i may be able to find snipers in caves still.

[UbiValkin]

the alt tabbing is one of the reasons i hardly play anymore until after the wipe, but then again, who needs crafting when you can loot the best small gun availible (not blocked by waves of angry people) in caves, i can eyeshot you just like that and if i die all i would lose in net worth would be some ammo since i have 50 or so snipers in my tent off topic, but still, i have no plans on just sitting like a duck for 5-7 hours and waiting so i can craft a measly sniper, or a monstrous minigun, or a shckingly effective plasma rifle when losing it takes 5-15 minutes (+- 5 minutes as an error) that pretty much sucks the life out of the game, and hopefully after the wipe i may be able to find snipers in caves still.

Hmm, also need to nerf caves... ;p

[gordulan]

screw you 

[Alvarez]

We're playing Fallout Online, not "OreMineralMiningInBlueSuitWastingOurTime".
This game will have more drive, people will do anything except stupid waiting.

You know what i think? The developers won't change it at all.
There were thousands of complaints about the cooldown, why should they change it?

The game is about waiting now.

You mine ore, wait 6 minutes watching shit on Youtube, repeat, a hour passes.
Craft.
Fuckyeah, finally a minigun. Shit, forgot ammo.
Wait another half an hour, mining and watching shit on Youtube

You go in the wastes, pop some brahmins for hides for 10 minutes.
Meet the lvl21 lolkillers, lose fucking everything.Harsh, yadda, wasteland, blah.

Want a new gun? Wait another 1,5 hours for crafting.
So you wanted to play? You spent 1,5 hours on doing crap JUST to be able to play for 10 minutes.

[UbiValkin]

So you wanted to play? You spent 1,5 hours on doing crap JUST to be able to play for 10 minutes.

That's it.

I suggesting to play this 1.5 hours, and then you'll play with your favorite minigun 10 minutes till meet 21st leveled gang.



In other words:
That's active crafting. You need to earn XP (which you'll not get in your total XP pool, till you get required ammount). So you're afraid of "Oh cool! They have minerals, ore, wood, alloys, metal parts, junk, electronic parts! That's not like standart fallout! They're so smart to do this!". Yeah, of couse that's cool addition, but... it makes game really-really boring. It's almost like stupid MMORPGs like MUonline, where your character XPing himself killing mobs, you don't even need a bot, just put book or something on right mouse button ^_^ So... that game is really sucks. Whatever, all I want to say that's a way How To Get This Game Active Type Playing, not stupid watching youtube.

[God of Thunder]

I think that if you like this solution it wouldnt bother me, but with one condition - the old system should be avaliable too, couse till now 80% of my exp was from crafting, so I dont know where the hell from you want to get your exp for crafting, but for me, if you want, you can do it this way.
Also, what will happend if you lose all your equipment? It would be quite boring to buy gun for money from shit shoveling or finish "crafting" with exp from shit shoveling.

[UbiValkin]

Also, what will happend if you lose all your equipment? It would be quite boring to buy gun for money from shit shoveling or finish "crafting" with exp from shit shoveling.

That will be really sad.

Omg, I don't think you need so much XP for 9mm mauser and some 9mm bullets.
+in future there will be some quests, so you can craft your 10mm pistol and then be able to craft something really useful. But.. it's only if you really don't have ANYTHING in your tent, or you're just started that game. Anyway, what you do on 1st level?