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[falloutdude]

Weren't all caravans encounters removed?

yes they where.

[serious clown]

yes they where.

LOLOLOLOL...

And "what is the point" of removing them?

[falloutdude]

LOLOLOLOL...

And "what is the point" of removing them?

to troll us that is all. welcome to fonline 2238!

[DeputyDope]

I think you meant if the timer is reimplemented not " goes away "  , next time you start insulting me i advise you to learn proper english , comprehend what are you reading and writing , as well to not reply my posts if your so biased to me like many other " animals " here on forum. I still wonder how i have some decency and patience to reply to this garbage in a sensible manner , whatever so ...

i fast relogged last season , but then those were still 3 minutes. Never had the idea to bypass the whole timer entirely just like now there's none at all. He calls me a hypocrite , unbelievable.

31:20 , 30:20 NCR Caravans vs Unity patrol , enjoy.

are you SURE that you never used quick-relog for tent alts?

[T-888]

Quite sure , i used dual log for tent alts previous season and i just told you that i did fast relog. Only then those were 3 minutes instead of 10 and not 0 like now. Understand the difference between fast relogging then and now.

It affected mainly non-pvp activities like crafting, trading and what not.

Keep telling this to yourself how much do you want , it doesn't change the fact that we didn't see multiple waves of alts on a regular basis that dis-balanced normal PvP , personally i didn't see any waves of alts ever last season. I'm tired of repeating myself , get the point once in a while.

Weren't all caravans encounters removed?

Probably now it is , at the start of wipe they weren't removed.

[Bego]

I'd just like to add that 0 minutes fast relog was possible last season. Way to achieve that was quite retarded but it got the job done  Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying that you used it, but there were lots of people that used it for sure, and I'm one of them as well.

[Michaelh139]

Ridiculous? It's not about "oh god, there are some cheaters, let's allow cheating to everyone!". I disagree with bringing back the old timer because I think it was a bad concept. It affected mainly non-pvp activities like crafting, trading and what not. I am not aware of any commercial game which would prevent a player from playing it.

Sorry, but this is a retarded excuse.

3 minutes, is not going to kill you.  3 minutes, is not of any real consequence, and it sure as hell doesn't prevent you from playing.  Pretty sure I could log into any character of mine last session.

How in god's name is 3 minute relog timer going to affect trading?  Trading takes several minutes at the least to set up then execute, that's plenty of time to get your items and character ready.

And how does it so awfully affect crafting?  Really? go mine 22 minute cooldown wait 3 minutes to for crafter, craft 1-1.30 hour and you're done.  Problem? O.o   Hell, this era doesn't even HAVE cooldowns.  Mine for an hour never need to relog on miner again for days to come.



Honestly, this is how I view this situation:

Last session - You worked your ass off behind the scenes for gear, which was pretty back-breaking work but you eventually got hold of the reins and it eventually got to smooth sailing; the reward was that PvP was like having a chocolate cake every day, and you could have it all if you paid, which paying was relatively easy once you got used to it.  The cake tasted sweet.

This session - You work like... very little.  You hardly do shit, you just pull the lever on a machine all day for big bucks.  Now you can afford 20 cakes every day, but you can hardly eat them all.  And honestly, the taste of cake is getting old...

[falloutdude]

Last session - You worked your ass off behind the scenes for gear, which was pretty back-breaking work but you eventually got hold of the reins and it eventually got to smooth sailing; the reward was that PvP was like having a chocolate cake every day, and you could have it all if you paid, which paying was relatively easy once you got used to it.  The cake tasted sweet.

This session - You work like... very little.  You hardly do shit, you just pull the lever on a machine all day for big bucks.  Now you can afford 20 cakes every day, but you can hardly eat them all.  And honestly, the taste of cake is getting old...

ermmm no. you work hard this era more then last. last era i did not have to craft at all.the reason you have so much "cake" is because there is not alot of pvp because tc is fucked.
i have crafted more this era then last. not because its easy now. because its not its even harder. need bps for every little thing which if you get them yourself takes weeks and weeks. i crafted more this era because all armors get broken so fast like china armor and half of all items are no longer farmable.

alot of us like fast relog because we have not need to wait 3-10 min. without fast relog i would again need to dual log just to do simple things such  as making a tent and crafting 1 item. need a simple grease gun last era needed to relog make the gun and wait 10 min to relog to use it. it was retarded and a waste of time.

[Michaelh139]

If you're crafting grease guns you're doing it wrong anyways .

I hate how everyone acts like they are alone, can't get a bud to make some shit alt to make share tent with character, so hard.  You do not even need that, just buy a car and use it as a tent, jeese.

There are easier, far more interesting ways to get your gear you just need to bother to take a look.

[falloutdude]

If you're crafting grease guns you're doing it wrong anyways .

use common sense ,it was a example.
btw in this game you are alone even with faction.
get used to fast relog or leave. its the best thing that came of this era.

[Michaelh139]

btw in this game you are alone even with faction.

     Contradict yourself some more...

get used to fast relog or leave.

LAWL.

You talk like you have the final say in the matter.  Learn your place, unlike some people on this forum.

Dev's game.  We're just here to provide feedback.

its the best thing that came of this era.

That is entirely up to debate.  But it's clearly dependent on personal preference.  In the end it must be measured whether it destroys the gameplay in the devs perspective.  Considering they kept the relog timer for so freakin long, I see two reasons why this era it is removed:

1.  They just fucking gave up, tired of cheaters cheating no matter what they do.

2.  beta-test reasons.  Make it easier to find bugs glitches etc.

[Y0ssarian]

A new low...... Falst logging in hinkley, some people take this way to seriously.....

I hope ye' arn't serious, that sounds almost as bad as people cheating in video games or sports.

[DeputyDope]

Quite sure , i used dual log for tent alts previous season and i just told you that i did fast relog. Only then those were 3 minutes instead of 10 and not 0 like now. Understand the difference between fast relogging then and now.

ah so dual log is good, but quick-relog ain't? hypocrite.

[serious clown]

Too many logs, fast log, quick log, logger logs, log inside of a log, Dual log, single log, quad log, fat logs, skinny logs, login, log off.  I think they should send all these logs to the lumber mill.

[Kelin]

Quite sure , i used dual log for tent alts previous season and i just told you that i did fast relog. Only then those were 3 minutes instead of 10 and not 0 like now. Understand the difference between fast relogging then and now.

Great, a cheater is telling me what's good and what's wrong. That's why I like the current situation, in previous season only you could dual log, only you could fast-relog and use all this dirty things for your benefit. You know what? To keep ex-cheaters more angry - I don't really care how many waves you send. For me it's better feeling to know, that I can use the same shit as you did in the previous season.

People who cheated were sending another wave of alts, that's only in your mind that such things didn't happen.

Sorry, but this is a retarded excuse.

3 minutes, is not going to kill you.  3 minutes, is not of any real consequence, and it sure as hell doesn't prevent you from playing.  Pretty sure I could log into any character of mine last session.

You have apparently no idea what you are talking about. It wasn't 3 minutes, it was 10 minutes. So when you logged in, suddenly realized that you need to repair your car, you had to relog → 10 minutes of waiting, you repaired your vehicle → another 10 minutes of waiting to get back on your main character. I was always bad in mathematics but I think it's 20 minutes of waiting, isn't it? And that's what I was talking about.

Or maybe you dealt with that retarded system like T-888 did, the great cheater who's telling everybody how bad fastrelogs are, but he admits he used duals/fastrelogs and he is probably going to cheat no matter the countermeasures are.

For people who might think I use fast-relog a lot in this season, I will have to disappoint you. I don't want the old 3-10 mins timer back, because it was retarded, I barely have more than one combat character parked over WM, so mostly enemies spawn two or three waves of characters, not me or my team (though we did it few times as well).

So yeah, keep discussing but I will argue with anyone who thinks the previous relog system was good, because hell it wasn't.