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[Michaelh139]

Perk.  Spray and Pray.

You cover your target in bullets... one of them is bound to find a hole. You ignore armor’s critical modifiers.

Is it just me, or is this a really wierd way to go.  You finally implement anti-crit modifiers in armours however you make a perk that totally bypasses this.

I would say it could halve it or a little more, but to totally take it out of the equation is a little dumb, imo.

It's like implementing a feature just to erase it with another feature the very next day except in this case it was done on the very same day XD.

Discuss.

P.S.  I want to ask, dumb question as well.  I assume this also bypasses the modifier when it comes to aimshots as well?  I assume it does hence this topic at all and not just a question in the Q&A.

[RavenousRat]

It should ignore only torso shots, but I don't know if it affects HtH, if it affects then... why the hell do you need Hit the Gaps? So if you want to make proper HH torso crit build with after-update finesse, you need also to raise your Throwing skill to take Spray and Pray perk, of course it's not a big deal, because you'll need Throwing skill anyway for more critical and even more critical and better critical perks +all hth perks, then you'll have 50% critical chance in torso +haymaker's bonus. HH will give you 100% KD chance +50% chance that your hit will be critical and with better crit+hth better crit, your critical will be really good, so if Spray and Pray works for HtH, then what reason of implementing Hit the Gaps? If not, then why Hit the Gaps is worse than Spray and Pray? Oh noes! I know why! HtH imba uber builds will kill everyone! -25% to crit mod for armor is super-puper must-have perk! So CA instead of -10% crit chance will have ... -7.5% crit chance! Perk, that gives +2.5% to crit chance is surely must-have! But this thread about Spray and Pray... and yes, everyone who will burst/do torso shots/etc. will have this perk 100%, so... well.. that's how they're making perks. Also you can ask the same question: Why you need helmets, when there're.... Right Between the Eyes perk (if it'll work properly, not like super-imba Hit the Gaps)... if someone is going to shoot your head/eyes, I think he won't forget to pick this perk, means all these -crit on armors and helmets are made for... low level PvP? When they don't have these perks yet. That's the only explanation.

[Floodnik]

I totally agree about Hit The Gaps, but I don't think Better Criticals and More Criticals work for HtH, that would let you have 65% crit chance when attacking torso with +45 on the critical table, take 5 punches in a row into account. Powerful

[RavenousRat]

But more criticals increasing your base critical chance, if it doesn't work, then critical chance from LK won't give boost too? If only they changed it and now it just "shows" +5 and +10 to your critical chance, but really it adds +5 and +10 only if you're using ranged weapon, but that's.. strange way to do things.

[T-888]

HH will give you 100% KD chance +50% chance that your hit will be critical and with better crit+hth better crit, your critical will be really good

Play this wipe more before you start theorizing that much , HH decreases critical chance by -30%.

[RavenousRat]

Play this wipe more before you start theorizing that much , HH decreases critical chance by -30%.

May be you mean critical roll? Like anti-better critical perk...

[Floodnik]

Either way, Heavy Handed is not a good mix with criticals.

[T-888]

May be you mean critical roll? Like anti-better critical perk...

No , HH decreases raw critical chance by 30% , not crit power modifiers. Don't mix up

[RavenousRat]

Either way, Heavy Handed is not a good mix with criticals.

But if better critical and HtH better critical works together, it can be useful, with mythical Finesse that won't give +30% DR you can also deal damage, not only do KDs, but this thread was made for Spray and Pray sorry for off-topic.

[Floodnik]

No , HH decreases raw critical chance by 30% , not crit power modifiers. Don't mix up

Source? I heard it's about the roll.

[RavenousRat]

I heard it's about the roll.

Yeah, it always was like that, damn these changes without any notifications, Fast Shot was at least in some old post by some random CBTester, but HH.. there was no information about HH except for KDs and "less powerful criticals" what logically can be understood as -crit roll.

[Roachor]

No , HH decreases raw critical chance by 30% , not crit power modifiers. Don't mix up

You have proof of this? It seems to be the same as before the wipe, i often hit molerats in the eye and not instakill, without hh they always explode even before the crit improvement perks.

The perk is to make unaimed shots viable and had to balance out the +60% eye shot chance to crit bonus having 10 luck gets you. With bonehead, man of steel and a good helmet thats like -30 on the crit roll cancelling out better crits and 10% of their natural crit roll, minimizing the damage and effects of getting shot in the eye. Basically it means if you spam unaimed shots at 20% chance to crit you'll have 15% better rolls on crit instead of a 95% chance to crit and hope for a bypass for large damage. It will be a more viable build once finesse is fixed right now I think it depends too much on luck.

[Crazy]

No , HH decreases raw critical chance by 30% , not crit power modifiers. Don't mix up

Funny, unless they modified it this wipe, it is the exact reverse of what you said. (and it's -40 on crit roll, not -30).

[Roachor]

Look your noobish theories as to how the mechanics work are just going to confuse people, it's -30 on the crit table unless it's been changed.