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Kelin:
Ok Sarakin, as I see we don't share the same oppinion. You as a casual player and a member of the rich gang want this items to be solely available for you, not for others. I understand. But from my point of view, this game is slowly dying in terms of a stable playerbase. Items are hard to craft (if you don't count .45 ammo) and even farming isn't as funny as it used to be. A lot of great encounters got deleted, like NCR Army encounters or SF caravans.

This enclave looting is so easy... then how come I still see a lot of people running with miniguns and wearing leather armors? Following your logic every single person should be running with an avenger because it's so cheap, but that's not happening somehow.

--- Quote from: Sarakin on April 01, 2012, 07:45:34 PM ---And yes, loner should never have best stuff available, best stuff should be obtained only through teamwork.

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Then expect even less people playing this game because guess what, there are people who prefer to play alone and enjoy the game. When you tell them "you play alone you have to suffer" then nobody from them will bother with playing.

--- Quote from: avv on April 01, 2012, 08:23:21 PM ---If the first thing that comes to your mind is that players should dual log, level themselves a sneak sniper alt able to do only this task and then grind them with as little gear as possible then okay, seems like we got a bit differend view what's a fun and good feature.

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Then it would be fair to introduce another possibility of getting it, if you nerf one thing because of what you mentioned (irrationality) would be fine to have another, fixed feature. Nerfing isn't always bad, but nerfing without introducing a solution is.

Even now (sorry for little offtopic) I don't see the point of having unguarded workbenches, because every time I go to Mariposa or Toxic caves looking for "action" there is nobody or in better case one plasma sneaker. For average player this means that he is forced to make a tent or a base near such place and spend a lot of time running to a workbench to craft one or two items. As I don't craft I won't analyze any further, only wanted to highlight this issue, maybe someone will create a new topic about it so we can discuss.

Aricvomit:
sheesh your all off topic, LISTEN!! the point here is that instead of picking up the guns like a normal npc does in the first place the way they do this tricks the enclave into chasing them off the world map, so they move away from their weapon and the other guy picks it up, at the very least the enclave should shoot the guy picking up the gun they just dropped.
this is where its an exploit, the enclave need to be modified to behave correctly, not picking up their gun to chase the sd sneak critter is not correct behavior. no one can argue this point and there is no room leeway here. it is faulty npc behavior and people are abusing it.
 if you pick up loot from a corpse they want they shoot you, if you pick up their weapons their buddies should shoot you. punishment for losing your laser gatling to a wastelander would most likely be severe "i.e. DEATH" so you think the enclave would have a vested interest in keeping their weapons.

Chrupek:
I havent seen intelligent npc in fonline2238, enclave soldier isnt exception, so im not sure if none can argue with you. Unarmed npcs, shouldnt run for getting hex... long range npcs shouldnt run for hex if you hide behind rock, khan raiders never shoot you no matter how many of them you killed... and so on. Whole AI should be reworked, but we have what we have.


And Avv, i think we share same point of view here. You just missing the point that someone have to level up very specific character, which can be considered extremely efficient in that looting. Just like burster is extremely efficient in 7.62 ammo farming. You cant say, that something should be done, because 'that noob can hex npc!!!!111111one'.

Express:
In westland no Inteligent bots. bots is bugged ;/

ToxiCAVE:

--- Quote from: Kelin on April 01, 2012, 03:23:15 PM ---The problem is that except this method there is no other way for a loner to obtain that stuff. There were dynamites and c4 in the past, but you can't craft it anymore (another broken feature).

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yes you can ;D
and why the hell i cant have 100 av and gatlings in my base? (i have 60/60 ;D) but i dont get it why it should be so rare. it cant be craftable but you can get it from ncps, and if you find way to farm it why the hell not farm them over 9999 if you want to. i dont like when someone think my idea is the best and fuck off rest!!! i cnat get it so no one will be able to...go and make hh troll or plasma nades sneaker if you want to be pro pvp...same i got killed dozylions times by plasma nades sneakers so i want to delete grenades !!! ;D hehehhe

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