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Another New FOnline?
jan0s1k:
--- Quote from: xenom on March 24, 2012, 06:23:09 am ---On this wipe 2238 has few changes, but in my opinion are not too powerfull, don't give too many fun for players.
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You forgot, that 2238 is making this engine with cvet which in you are scripting. It's not same like writing scripts to sdk..
You don't have to know OpenGL and Direct3D, they do, you don't even have to know perfectly AngelScript, they do. As well as knowing basic/advanced encryption methods to not allow to break FOnline network protocol, as well to don't allow unfair server administrators to steal passwords from .client :)
Everything is time consuming and they are doing it in their free time (as well as you do), so appreciate it.
Maybe I know nothing about what they do, but it's easy to guess - it's much more, than you have to do, trust me :)
xenom:
--- Quote from: jan0s1k on March 24, 2012, 08:55:39 am ---You forgot, that 2238 is making this engine with cvet which in you are scripting. It's not same like writing scripts to sdk..
You don't have to know OpenGL and Direct3D, they do, you don't even have to know perfectly AngelScript, they do. As well as knowing basic/advanced encryption methods to not allow to break FOnline network protocol, as well to don't allow unfair server administrators to steal passwords from .client :)
Everything is time consuming and they are doing it in their free time (as well as you do), so appreciate it.
Maybe I know nothing about what they do, but it's easy to guess - it's much more, than you have to do, trust me :)
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That's ok, but what that give for players. For me as scripter it is very helpfull, and i thank them.
Players don't wonna better engine but playable game.
"but it's easy to guess - it's much more, than you have to do, trust me" - maby yes, maby not, becouse you don't have any knowedle about programming/scripting without making hotkays for fonline :P
I am writing code with many 1000 lines in scripts - it is easier/harder? There is nothing difference between scripting AS or programming Engine, but in secodary thing you must know/use more libraries, have better quality of code style/optimisation, and have more people for this. Easier, or harder that are bad categories, becouse we are making difference things, they are makin engine, I playable solutions by using engine.
If you have for example Unreal Engine, than making game on this is not easier like making engine.
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Gob, you have right, becouse always players can be borred of server, question is: in what time? 1 great team is able to make playable server for long, long time opossition to small teams, when you have X TLAs who can borred in 2 weeks :/ Question only, what is better solution?
barter1113:
Fonline games are boring for more people because they are 2D, hard (you will die everywhere) and you must think what to do. Fonline never been popular like LoL, Minecraft because our community is small and lot of people dont know about "Fallout 2 Online" (2 because "I only know 2 and 3" - somebody). Sorry but fonline will die like other games, 5-10 years so thats sad but true :(
1 big server - no! I prefer have 5-10 servers to choose which play it, example
TLA - sdk for developers (not server)
2238 - crafting server/pvp
Desert Europe - pve, pvp, crafting server bigger and in europe
TLA mk2 - TLA but playable server
Wasteland 2155 - role playing server
Tactic - only pvp, 2238 world (show us worldmap :D)
Requiem - pvp server
3D server - only 3D models and 3D maps (buildings, scenery)
On each server players ~500 so 4000 players will nice :D
Single player:
Whats Remains
jan0s1k:
--- Quote from: xenom on March 24, 2012, 09:11:33 am ---That's ok, but what that give for players. For me as scripter it is very helpfull, and i thank them.
Players don't wonna better engine but playable game.
"but it's easy to guess - it's much more, than you have to do, trust me" - maby yes, maby not, becouse you don't have any knowedle about programming/scripting without making hotkays for fonline :P
I am writing code with many 1000 lines in scripts - it is easier/harder? There is nothing difference between scripting AS or programming Engine, but in secodary thing you must know/use more libraries, have better quality of code style/optimisation, and have more people for this. Easier, or harder that are bad categories, becouse we are making difference things, they are makin engine, I playable solutions by using engine.
If you have for example Unreal Engine, than making game on this is not easier like making engine.
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Yey, you blame me again (I don't want to even count how many.. hundred time now?) for touching one time our repo, thanks, one time again I can just laugh from it and never write anything, because why had I make another reason for you to blame me? How long are you talking about it, one year? More? ;D
If you don't see difference between scripting in some released SDK to some engine and programming from zero (not exactly from zero, there is plenty of libraries used as well), then I'm so sorry...
If you are saying, that there is no difference between making engine and writing in some prebased scripting language, then write something totally simple in D3D and OGL from nothing and show us :)
"Having better optimising" - are you kidding me? You've nerer seen "optimised' FOnline, in old times when FOnline didn't had 3D support it was running at least 150% faster.
And about better quality, it is false as well, even cvet can make some thing in way "tries and fails", as we see it in FOnline OpenGL version, it's going still better and better.
And about last part, if writing in UnrealEngine is harder than making own engine, so why so many developers are still buying licence for that? Please, if you have no idea what you know what are you talking about, just don't do this...
xenom:
--- Quote from: jan0s1k on March 24, 2012, 11:45:55 am ---Yey, you blame me again (I don't want to even count how many.. hundred time now?) for touching one time our repo, thanks, one time again I can just laugh from it and never write anything, because why had I make another reason for you to blame me? How long are you talking about it, one year? More? ;D
If you don't see difference between scripting in some released SDK to some engine and programming from zero (not exactly from zero, there is plenty of libraries used as well), then I'm so sorry...
If you are saying, that there is no difference between making engine and writing in some prebased scripting language, then write something totally simple in D3D and OGL from nothing and show us :)
"Having better optimising" - are you kidding me? You've nerer seen "optimised' FOnline, in old times when FOnline didn't had 3D support it was running at least 150% faster.
And about better quality, it is false as well, even cvet can make some thing in way "tries and fails", as we see it in FOnline OpenGL version, it's going still better and better.
And about last part, if writing in UnrealEngine is harder than making own engine, so why so many developers are still buying licence for that? Please, if you have no idea what you know what are you talking about, just don't do this...
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"If you have for example Unreal Engine, than making game on this is not easier like making engine. "-that was a text
not this: "writing in UnrealEngine is harder than making own engine, "
my answer was:"Easier, or harder that are bad categories"-learn to read with understanding Janosik.
Yeah you are proffessional becouse have 17 years old and using using debian as system(ok, is not that a shame.) and know everything, and dont like miscrosoft.
Sorry, but you are young, have nothing knowedle, and you was in project always this person who did make almost nothing, and always attacked leader of this project on public forum - me. You did steal private pass people and developers from fode forum - you not respect anyone IMAO.
I will not speak with you, becouse it is nonsense. At first you must learn read understanding, and respect people who are more adult like you.
I wish you find good job with that behaviorus, becouse nobody will respect this young man :(
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