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[ozarik]

as i mentioned b4 http://fodev.net/forum/index.php?topic=1993.0
there is some imbalance on 2238
some people do have big guns lvl 3 and they can craft it for their faction
and some people dont have it
this difference between a guy with minigun and avenger is simple ~30%
and its obvious that random people who are playing with their friends and not with big factions have disadvantage
ofc people can buy avengers and ap rockets but lets say its not fair first u have to farm for money, then find a vendor to sell stuff, then u buy overpriced avenger and ap rockets  . in the end u wasted lots of time bcoz of this "imbalance" rather then farm iron ore and minerals and junk close to ur base wich is 10 times safer

so to make it fair i got a suggestion:
lets add some material which isnt ingame atm to the lvl 3 items recipes so people cant craft them

ofc later when u make npc who teach us bg3 available it will be ez to fix recipes

[RJ]

You can get  those Avengers Miniguns from Enclave patrols. That's how people had them before BG 3. Still hunting Enclave is a bit risky but much faster than crafting.

[merkhad]

Well, what's the point of asking for everything to be easier of access and much faster to get ? There's a whole point of actually making things past a certain level not as easy to make as less powerful stuff, and making the hi-end level stuff harder to get will only dig a bigger gap between individuals or very small factions and big factions.
My take on this is that being part of a small faction at the moment never stopped me from making high-end stuff, so I don't really see what's your problem, apart from complaining that a guy alone will have a hard time crafting Avengers, which definitely makes sense in a way. Get friends or get your a** in a small faction, that should sort your problem out really.

[Raegann]

Well, what's the point of asking for everything to be easier of access and much faster to get ? There's a whole point of actually making things past a certain level not as easy to make as less powerful stuff, and making the hi-end level stuff harder to get will only dig a bigger gap between individuals or very small factions and big factions.
My take on this is that being part of a small faction at the moment never stopped me from making high-end stuff, so I don't really see what's your problem, apart from complaining that a guy alone will have a hard time crafting Avengers, which definitely makes sense in a way. Get friends or get your a** in a small faction, that should sort your problem out really.

Both of you are speaking about something totally else.
He is complaining, that BG lvl 3 teacher was available only for a short time, few people get it and the rest have bad luck, which doesn't seem fair to him. This is not about how hard is to make stuff.

[merkhad]

Both of you are speaking about something totally else.
He is complaining, that BG lvl 3 teacher was available only for a short time, few people get it and the rest have bad luck, which doesn't seem fair to him. This is not about how hard is to make stuff.

I think I perfectly got his point in the first place, and all I'm saying is that what he's offering to have (making BG3 items harder to get) won't be of any good to anyone, maybe apart from large factions which have BG3 crafters available whatever the odds are to meet the instructor and lots of people to gather resources no matter how hard an item is to be made. I may shall have been more specific and proposed my own solution to the problem : make the instructor presence permanent and/or fix the bugs which make him hard to get to in the first place.

[Raegann]

I think I perfectly got his point in the first place, and all I'm saying is that what he's offering to have (making BG3 items harder to get) won't be of any good to anyone, maybe apart from large factions which have BG3 crafters available whatever the odds are to meet the instructor and lots of people to gather resources no matter how hard an item is to be made. I may shall have been more specific and proposed my own solution to the problem : make the instructor presence permanent and/or fix the bugs which make him hard to get to in the first place.

No, you don't. He's not suggesting to make it harder to craft the items, he's suggesting to make it impossible till the teacher gets fixed, which is a bit different. In the case he is suggesting, nobody can craft BG lvl 3 items, which seems fair to him, more than now, when it is available to those who were fast enough. So everyone will have the same opportunity to get those items - only by killing NPCs.
Also, it's not hard to get to the teacher, it's not possible, cause he is removed. Although no dev did say anything about the missing teacher, I suppose he will be back at the time he is fixed. I believe at the moment, his presence will be permanent, but not till then.

[merkhad]

Alright, my mistake actually. Still I think it's a good thing if some people are lucky enough to get the skill, as it allows more weapons and ammos to hit the market.

[DiSh]

Before talking any temporary fixes, it'd be good to get a statement on approximately how long BG3 will remain unavailable. If it's just a few more days, there is really no problem.

[Diezel]

Peoples with Big Gun 3 profession spent time, money and effort to get there, nerfing them wouldn't be fait either.
As said previously knowing approximatly when it will be up again would be a first start, annd then having it open again is all that we need.

[ozarik]

Peoples with Big Gun 3 profession spent time, money and effort to get there, nerfing them wouldn't be fait either.
As said previously knowing approximatly when it will be up again would be a first start, annd then having it open again is all that we need.

i bet u got lvl 3 big guns lol
no1 talking about taking away ur ability to craft stuff after everything is fixed u will not loose anything even ur effort to learn bg3

[Diezel]

i bet u got lvl 3 big guns lol
no1 talking about taking away ur ability to craft stuff after everything is fixed u will not loose anything even ur effort to learn bg3

You bet and you lost.
Actually i have a big gunner but only big gun 1 and i am doing fine. If i need better stuff i go barter in town or find it on the player market.
As well, my friend who managed to get everything to aquire the level 3 profession but failed due to lack of the NPC, was quite a sad news. However we still know this is a beta test, and we also are quite sure it will be back, hence we are patient. And if that's not implemented now it will be next wipe and if not things will get rebalanced.

The only thing that matter to me is that all those who reached the profession keep on reporting bug(s) they find.

[Heckler Spray]

Do you want devs to make high-level crafting impossible to everyone each time a professor is missing ? Do you think they have to spend time in this kind of "balancing" instead of fixing the bugs ?
It doesn't make sense, man. When Metzger was on vacations, they let small guns level 3 crafters did their job and craft Pancor jackhammers, why should it be different for big guns ?
You know, the game is not balanced yet, it's a beta, shit happens. I can understand you're upset cause some people have bigger guns than you, but your teacher will be back, don't worry. 


(for the record, I'm neither a Big Gun cratfer nor a Big Gun user).