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Targeting CA with Laser, Sniper and a Minigun. Average values.
farnak:
--- Quote from: Solar on February 19, 2012, 03:02:08 PM ---With all the BRD its (Still against LA II with 2 Toughness):
Minigun JHP 40.5
m60 77.7
Avenger JHP 45.9
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Do not understand why these are so low.
It should be about:
Avenger JHP: 62-74
Minigun: 54-66
M60: 92-123
with LAII + 2 toughness we have DR=45+ammoDR and DT=9
damage=((WeaponDamage+ all BRD)*AmmoDamageMod-DT)*(1-DR/100)*Rounds - is it right formula for non AP damage?
AP ammo is ok:
Avenger AP: 93-111
Minigun AP: 81-99
Solar:
I'd used .223 stats for m60, corrected to be 7.62 now
The m60,
26-34 = Average of 30, +7 for BRD then *1.2 damage
-9 from DT
= 35.4 Average damage
LA mk II, 30% DR + 15% from Toughness - 10% from 7.62 = 23.01 damage per bullet.
3.7 bullets hit the target from an m60 => 85.14
Minigun
19.5 Average * 2 for modifier = 39
-9 DT
= 30
LA Mk II, 30 DR + 15 from Toughness + 40% from 5mm JHP = 4.5 per bullet
9 bullets hit => 40.5
Lidae:
Just to clarify, are you saying these are empirical measures, or are the numbers calculated using the exact formula to determine damage? If it's the latter then this is really useful information in my opinion. If it's the former then I would be interested in knowing more about the test setup and number of trials etc. In any case, it's nice of you to share - thanks!
As far as the whole "omg snipers are so nerfed" argument goes, you gotta remember that dealing damage is only a part of the job of a sniper (whereas it's much more important to a bg), at least when it comes to team play. Doing knockdowns, knockouts, weapon drops and cripples is just as important, and in terms of balancing, it's also hard to quantify these things into a comparative figure. You can't just look at the dps and say which is better. Of course range is also an important factor, and what map you are playing on and what positions and strategy you use is another thing to consider. A sniper is also generally cheaper to maintain.
Having said that, I'm yet to try playing a sniper this season, so I don't have an opinion on whether it's balanced or not. But just because a big gunner has twice the dps of a sniper doesn't necessarily imply that big gunners are better. Just saying.
farnak:
--- Quote from: Solar on February 19, 2012, 04:03:16 PM ---
The m60,
26-34 = Average of 30, +7 for BRD then *1.2 damage
-9 from DT
= 35.4 Average damage
LA mk II, 30% DR + 15% from Toughness - 10% from 7.62 = 23.01 damage per bullet.
3.7 bullets hit the target from an m60 => 85.14
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Do not have m60 at the moment, but as I remember, after wipe it has 30-40 damage
Btw 3,7 bullets can hit target and there is no rounding?
Solar:
Ah yes, I gave it a boost because of no run just before the wipe. Good point:
1 BRD: 82.251
3 BRD: 96.681
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