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Shotguns
Brooce:
You're right, I hadn't taken into account that both characters had toughness. Which is one of the most comon perks used in the game. This explains the lower damage on our bursts.
I know you are trying your hardest to make the game nearly unplayable and making drugs and high tier items nearly unobtainable (requiring non-existant mats LOL) but give the player base a little more credit than that.
We have survived your lag spikes, your attacks by "friendly" or "neutral" NPCs. We survive the radiation that really only seems to serve the purpose of trolling players who have the misfortune of lagging into a centuar/alien encounter.
Simply put, the players that are still playing are survivors. Us that post on the forums are more so. We deserve respect in that manner. If there is a way to optimize a build, be it with drugs or what have you. We have discovered it, and in spite of your constant efforts, have found a way to make it work.
So when you say we don't use beer/jet/psycho/buffout well then you are wrong. If you are not balancing this game for those who know how to play it, then you are wrong.
If the shotgun is only intended to be used as a PvE type weapon then just say it. I personally think the Pancor Jackhammer is an awesome weapon, and would love to see it put to better use. If that is not what you want from the weapon then so be it. You are, as the saying goes, the boss, hoss.
Imrinfected:
--- Quote from: Solar on February 15, 2012, 11:37:16 AM ---Apart from this being just obviously ridiculous, the .22 is new.
They won't be getting AP ammo, we have AP ammo, we don't need to overlap niches, we need to create new ones.
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I wasn't suggesting AP ammo, actually, but there definitely needs to be a way to make shotguns viable in PvP. Even in real life, Slugs aren't armor piercing - they're just so large and heavy that the force crushes through armor. Flechettes do pierce armor, merely because it's practically a large metal spike.
Even if you don't like the idea of new ammo types(which I don't believe I'll ever understand), there are a number of other solutions.
Perhaps make shotgun ammo damage armor more than other ammo types. Add knockdown to shotgun shots, and factor the knockdown chance into each shot in a burst, increasing the chance of a knockdown.
Even just add ammo types that don't do damage. Flash shells which increase AP consumption of enemies hit with it, beanbags that don't damage people or enemies below 0 HP.
There are a lot of ways to make shotguns more useful. It's disappointing that there's so much real-world material to work from which could add deeper elements of strategy into the game that's completely disregarded, and I think that's why this is a hot-button issue for some people. It really just seems like you're irrationally ignoring good ideas.
Also, I can confirm that psycho and beer are really common in PvP. All drugs are.
--- Quote from: Solar on February 15, 2012, 11:37:16 AM ---I really don't get it, I'm taking the time to bother replying to you and people come back with moronic trolling posts. Here's a nice little warning, just to help you out. Post in a constructive manner and post something valuable and that's good, continue trolling me and I will ban you, my patience is wearing very thin.
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Not cool.
Smalltime:
--- Quote from: Solar on February 15, 2012, 11:37:16 AM ---They won't be getting AP ammo, we have AP ammo, we don't need to overlap niches, we need to create new ones.
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http://youtu.be/YxEPUnZHr5M
This.
JovankaB:
--- Quote from: Smalltime on February 15, 2012, 11:33:40 AM ---And you should know better than to expect a crafter to have a chance against a pure PvP build.
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I don't know, one extra combat perk could be a lot.
And I'm not talking about some lame "skilled 10 int bruiser all professions in one" gang alts,
I'm talking about hybrid builds which can craft some things and fight.
Cheesey Dean:
--- Quote from: Solar on February 15, 2012, 11:37:16 AM ---I really don't get it, I'm taking the time to bother replying to you and people come back with moronic trolling posts. Here's a nice little warning, just to help you out. Post in a constructive manner and post something valuable and that's good, continue trolling me and I will ban you, my patience is wearing very thin.
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I'm sorry, but I fail to see *where* he is trolling. Unless voicing your opinion counts as trolling.
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