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[JovankaB]

Why is machine to craft a weak drug useful mostly for hybrid chars in possibly one of the most hardcore PvP
places in game? And on top of that, when you start it, it makes *sssssss.... pooof* visible through walls

Please move it (or add another one) to Klamath or another place without regular PvP skirmishes.

[Killy]

*sssssss.... pooof* its the sound it makes, thus can be seen ( heard )through walls,
why is  themachine to craft the drug there? Propably to make u go out of ur tent and make ur life harsher

[Wichura]

to make u go out of ur tent and make ur life harsher

Said dude that can't handle with getting himself even a basic stuff:

or w8 for the next wipe and new changes if u reckon its worse than it was

Internet - we are all tough guys here.

[JovankaB]

I didn't say it should be in a safe place (or tent -.-). I only mean putting
the only machine for a drink the gives you a tiny CH and DR boost for -2PE
(probably the worst drug of them all) in the 2nd most dangerous part
of New Reno makes no sense. Beer has to be that hard to craft compared
to all other drugs? Seriously, BEER?! Drug used to travel with one friend,
or to do some quests/trade if you have 2 CH???

I would like to hear some rational argument behind this decision.

[Michaelh139]

Since we're discussing beer here let me ask a stupid question:  What are the mats required for it?  I got no idea.

And commercial row is the 2nd most harsh area of new reno?  More like the first! 

Beer is for the rich or for the bravest souls of the wastes.

[JovankaB]

Since we're discussing beer here let me ask a stupid question:  What are the mats required for it?  I got no idea.

And commercial row is the 2nd most harsh area of new reno?  More like the first! 

Beer is for the rich or for the bravest souls of the wastes.

- barley (you can gather it in Modoc and maybe somewhere else too, idk)
- water bags with water
- you put the items in the brewing machine in drug store in commercial row (couldn't think about worse death trap), then use science on it and wait something like 2 minutes while the machine announces you are there with emots **poooof** and **ssssssss**
- then you can get beer, one bag + one barley = 1 beer


Guess what? I will just trade barley for mentats. It's faster this way.
Safer, less traveling and no bags needed.

[Wallace]

Not to mention the process eats your empty water bags...

I just love my beer with a flavor brahmin skin and parts of it between my teeth after drinking it xD

[avv]

Heh it's like a mini-tc with its own window. See the beermaking messages? Time to PWN some NAABS.

Admittedly commercial row is pretty dangerous place for a petty drug like beer. Chance to get pk'd is high so smart players just stay out. Then again it's not devs fault players use this exact place to camp and smash each other's faces. It's like taking off merchants from ncr because there's suicide bursters and thieves.

Those beermachines could be buyable with influence in tc towns. Using them would give more influence to controllers and they could set a small fee.

[JovankaB]

Admittedly commercial row is pretty dangerous place for a petty drug like beer. Chance to get pk'd is high so smart players just stay out. Then again it's not devs fault players use this exact place to camp and smash each other's faces. It's like taking off merchants from ncr because there's suicide bursters and thieves.

Lolwhat? NO. Taking off all merchants from NCR is not like adding
another beer machine in a different location.

This towns is perfect for no-tc PvP so devs shouldn't be surprised.
That's how they made the town, even if it wouldn't be intentional
they had 3 years to observe how it's played. Nothing ever changed
when it comes to NR.

It was put in almost the worst town, worst map, worst building. The only
worse place would be main street of major TC town like BH/Redding.
You can safely craft psychos, miniguns and combat armors but not beer

[Wallace]

Not to mention other preciousness... like quest guy in the middle of TC area... (midget on main BH street surrounded with militia and brainless PvP apes who won't let you tolk to him for ten seconds!)

[Lizard]

Too bad that beer isn't available at tap stores.
I wish sometimes i could've buy a sixpack at Gordon's gas station in the middle of the night. ;P

[JovankaB]

Too bad that beer isn't available at tap stores.
I wish sometimes i could've buy a sixpack at Gordon's gas station in the middle of the night. ;P

It is available in some bars from dialog. 100 caps / piece. And I think it's too expensive, it should
be cheaper than cigarettes and nuka cola (drugs used often in PvP). Maybe 50 caps.

[Solar]

I think it is more likely a "mini game" would be built around Reno and the beer supply, rather than having it available anywhere else.

[JovankaB]

I think it is more likely a "mini game" would be built around Reno and the beer supply, rather than having it available anywhere else.

What else, minigame around crafting spears and brass knuckles?

There will be no minigame, nobody will craft beer there. People will use mentats or never do 2 CH builds again.
It's not like gangs need it anyway, they have barter and taxi alts.

Why do you want to create PvP minigame around something that isn't useful in PvP?
Unless you talk about "kill da stupid loner" minigame, I don't get it.
You can't seriously expect that PK gangs will come there with waterbags and barley to make +1 CH drug.

[avv]

Admittedly in this case the beer crafting could take place somewhere more abandoned or safe. That's because currently it forces the beermakers to come to pvp area, rather than murderers and killers to come to some less obvious pvp area like themepark and gordon's.
Even east side would be better and would make more sense since wrights are the top alcohol makers in Reno.