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Accounts Hacked - Game Rules
Nice_Boat:
--- Quote from: Surf Solar on February 21, 2010, 08:22:00 pm ---You did read the first post? ::)
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I did, but I read it and understood it which seems to be too much of a task for you. But hey, I'm a bit of a carebear myself so I'm going to explain:
a) the issue of using 3rd party programs and requesting developer's reaction
- if it happened like Hawk-Eye said (which is doubtful to say the least) everything happened outside of the game;
- the only thing that had to do with the game was the information obtained;
- using that information (ie. logging in) is not a punishable deed on this server;
- as far as I know 2238 administration doesn't have fighting cyber-crime in their job description, so why on Earth would some infected website concern them?;
- even if you assume it's their business, how the hell do you expect them to conduct an investigation? They have no access to Amboy website, Hawk-Eye's computer and in general are simply powerless in this situation;
b) the notion of infecting your gang website to get some other player's password out
- believe it or not, websites tend to get infected against their owners' will;
- gang sites are mostly visited by gang members only, nobody is expecting Cajuns on Amboy site;
- when hostile gangs visit your forums, they generally tend to want to cause harm by obtaining sensitive information etc. - why would you empathise with that?;
- to set a trap up, Amboys would have to accept the risk of infecting their own computers - even at the high-trust groups like BBS, that would cause a massive "screw you, no way" reaction from the members;
- obtaining information like that is a crime in most countries; no sane person would risk going to jail after some 2238 game account.
So not only is the notion of some hacker warfare going on between Cajuns and Amboys totally ludicrous, but also the idea that devs should react in any way is laughable.
--- Quote from: Surf Solar on February 21, 2010, 08:22:00 pm ---And yeah, we all know infamous Nice_Boat and all his friends, everyone else is just a "carebear". :)
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It's funny how you support a dude who just accused another person of a criminal offence without presenting any evidence and than expect the accused to prove you that he's innocent and worthy of your trust (as if that ever mattered ::) ). I wouldn't call you a carebear, I'd call you a nazi. And if you're not, you sure do behave like one right now.
But yeah, there's an awful lot of carebears and stupid people (yeah, anyone buying OP's bullshit on the basis of what he said is just plain dumb) around these days.
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Nice_Boat, the unsurpassed BBS leader
Dark Angel:
sometime hawk can be drunked and give account password on /s . in NCR and stop talk to ban all Amboy -.-
Quentin Lang:
--- Quote from: Surf Solar on February 21, 2010, 08:36:39 pm ---You've been around on NMA when this stupid "Wasteland is harsh!!111" "Go Play WoW" etc. started? :D
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Ive been around NMA, but i guess ive missed that. Enlighten me :)
Surf:
Maybe you should read the posts more careful before posting such bullshit?
I don't even know "The Cajuns" or whatever because I'm not into those gangnames etc, neither do I know who Hawk-Eye is.
I didn't even write one single word about what I think of this issue in the thread here ( even though it's bad that ones account was "hacked", but these "proofs" here aren't that much, as you said the website could be infected without the owners will).
Then one member of "TAD" has posted here, again with insults. Why? If he's innocent (which I assume) why he has to put childish words in it?
And - there wasn't just things about the Trojan in the first post, more about general rules which has nothing to do with "hacking" etc - there I agreed, not on this "THEY HACKED ME" thing. So don't try to be smartass just because you aren't able to read posts proper.
--- Quote ---It's funny how you support a dude who just accused another person of a criminal offence without presenting any evidence and than expect the accused to prove you that he's innocent and worthy of your trust.
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Again, no one has to prove something to me, because I don't care. No one has to gain my trust. And see above, I didn't support him in this "account hacked" issue. And yeah "OMG that dude is german, he's a nazi!1111". Maybe you should overthink your choice of words next time, when you want that people take you serious.
Nice_Boat:
--- Quote from: Surf Solar on February 21, 2010, 08:54:10 pm ---Maybe you should read the posts more careful before posting such bullshit?
I don't even know "The Cajuns" or whatever because I'm not into those gangnames etc, neither do I know who Hawk-Eye is.
I didn't even write one single word about what I think of this issue in the thread here ( even though it's bad that ones account was "hacked", but these "proofs" here aren't that much, as you said the website could be infected without the owners will).
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So why are you posting here?
--- Quote from: Surf Solar on February 21, 2010, 08:54:10 pm ---Then one member of "TAD" has posted here, again with insults. Why? If he's innocent (which I assume) why he has to put childish words in it?
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If I called you a paedophile on the street with absolutely no basis aside from the fact that I dislike you (which in case of Hawk-Eye and Amboys is a known fact for anyone who, erm, is into "those gang issues" you don't know anything about), how would you respond? The proper reaction when something like that happens is to tell the guy to f**k off.
--- Quote from: Surf Solar on February 21, 2010, 08:54:10 pm ---And - there wasn't just things about the Trojan in the first post, more about general rules which has nothing to do with "hacking" etc - there I agreed, not on this "THEY HACKED ME" thing. So don't try to be smartass just because you aren't able to read posts proper.
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You mean the part where he made another, less grave accusation with absolutely no proof or the part where he basically said to "ban f**king everyone"? ;D As far as you go, I quoted your post solely because of that "trust" thingie. Because this matter shouldn't be judged based on a childish who-trusts-whom, it should be carefully investigated to prevent stuff like that happening in the future.
--- Quote from: Surf Solar on February 21, 2010, 08:54:10 pm ---Again, no one has to prove something to me, because I don't care. No one has to gain my trust. And see above, I didn't support him in this "account hacked" issue. And yeah "OMG that dude is german, he's a nazi!1111". Maybe you should overthink your choice of words next time, when you want that people take you serious.
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I didn't call you a nazi because you're German (I couldn't care less about your nationality), I did call you a nazi because your post has an awful "guilty until proven innocent" feel to it, which is the exact opposite of how civilized people deal with things.
Seriously now, if anyone should be banned it should be Hawk-Eye. Whatever you say, he threw a lot of dirt with absolutely no basis and even if his accusations get proven false, some of his crap is going to stick. This is too serious a matter to be treated like that.
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