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Silent Death bursters
Johnnybravo:
--- Quote from: Kelin on January 14, 2012, 10:18:17 PM ---Why a sniper rifle? It can be almost 300 hp rocket launcher guy with max. perception and toughness. I'd like to see you killing this guy with your sneaker.
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By choosing to fight the guy when he cannot expect you, stealth IS that powerful to grant you this, no matter what perception or detection do you face.
Well, nevermind, we're getting into useless details, here is short list of what is happening:
Perk not being good for non-bursting sneakers as for bursting ones.
Perk allowing griefing.
Perk not being being even remotely balanced in 1 on 1 situations.
I think that solution is simple, make it better for knife/pistol guys, and add more constant and cheap solutions for sneak detection (so that you will not prowl on bazaar like a boss, and would not get close even to average perceptive quys when it's white day in desert).
Because there are some changes to stealth this update, waiting how it plays out is important. But making non-bursting sneakers good (especially melee ones, which are even depicted on it ;-o) will be required nevertheless, because the perk does not even remotely helps them as much as bursters.
Solar:
I'd bet pretty decent money that an auto crit from a .223 pistol to the head would do consistently more damage than a p90c burst to mid tier armours+
If people are complaining about HH from sneak elsewhere (replying on surprise), then I'm going to guess its possible to surprise them using this perk using unarmed/melee too.
Way too early for posts like that with nothing backing them up.
RavenousRat:
--- Quote from: Solar on January 14, 2012, 10:47:55 PM ---I'd bet pretty decent money that an auto crit from a .223 pistol to the head would do consistently more damage than a p90c burst to mid tier armours+
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Lolwhat? I'm x3 BRD, better crit and using grease guns, except for Hinkley, and if I won't kill someone with 1 burst from max weapon's range, then I'll at least KO it or leave with negative HP mostly because of tank build +Dead Man Walking and then just do regular burst to finish target (if only there're no 100500 militia chasing me at that time), because I never seen BA+psycho+max HP army of CS in BH sitting just to get influence and I'm not part of some TC faction to participate in TC, so I just kill chosens for fun at BH and not letting them get influence, as they aren't a threat for me, even with 500 HP solar scorcher militia, who dies with 1 1hex-burst too. However still I used single shots for tests on my friends, and... it's so so so underpowered in comparison to bursts, the only thing that it would save me 3 perks, so I could take lifegivers or may be even action boys or sharpshooter, etc. But still I see no reason to do head shots from SD when you can just burst your target with cheap grease gun looted from regulators and your victim won't die only if it's some BA psycho tank, but then you can repeat what you just done, and it'll die, or.. just use p90, then nothing will help your victim, even psycho and BA, as better criticals perk + SD make bursts really devastating, even with KO/KD effects. And I'm not using spray-and-pray perk, because of skilled trait, with this perk bursts would be even more devastating than now.
Return LK requirements at least for better crit and/or add it to spray-and-pray or SD, and SD sneakers will be nerfed a bit, at least they won't have 10 EN. As in Hinkley, with BA, even if someone spot me, I simply survive their burst and run away because of 10 EN. Anyway do something with better crit, may be more crit as requirement, because it's overpowered perk as all wipes before, but this session it also overpowered not only for snipers, but also for SD bursters.
Edit:
I haven't tested SD with gauss for single shooting, probably that's the only variant, because you can do these shots from 50 hexes without worrying about sensors and 10 PE SS snipers. But even .223 pistol... p90 is much better, even grease is better, a lot.
Dequ:
SD bursters are good against single enemies, but against 2+ people not so good.
I like to play as sneaker and observe people and find weak spots to exploit.
Situation 1, Fighting against 1 player
U scout and search weak spot and 1 burst.
They have better chance to survive if they will act unpredictable, Harder to find sweet spots to burst
U won quite easily.
Situation 2, Fighting against 2ppl
When u shoot once u exposed yourself and u have equal or worse chance to kill another one, depend players fighting skills and gears.
U have better chance to kill them both if u scout well or one of them wanders too away from other.
If they have decent gear and are aware of sneaks, u probably cant kill them both.
Situation 3, Fighting against 3ppl
If people have decent gears, no change to kill them. Unless they are nobs and are panicing.
Situation 4, Fighting against 1player 290 hp pvp tank alt.
U need to get behind and 1hex him, otherwise u will lose.
So not so easy.
Some facts: SD burst do imba crits but only from 1hex and behind.
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/9974002/Crtis.jpg
Be aware and dont wander alone, wastland is harsher than it use to be.
pti4ka:
Anyway sneaker have only shitty SMG-weapons but killing guys in CA+full_stuff with 100% chance... Anyway silent death for busters looking imbalanced...
And some EXPLOIT:
One sneaker with SMG can easy kill all militia in city without any problems: militia doesn't see him.
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