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Solar:
Johnny, I don't think that's true either. You can use situational bonuses to get decent sneak and use SD on a crit build who hasn't sacrificed his entire perk tree on sneak. A 100% crit first shot into the head could still be useful, especially if its done by a char who won't fold like a piece of paper after the initial attack.

Solar:

--- Quote ---And 10mm SG IS ENTRY gear as far as PvP means,  I have well around 30 of those guns in my tent and I have dismantled way over 50 now
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These were gained before I removed them from the easy encounters, I'd expect.


--- Quote ---Ok counter case scenario, Your little group with both hawk men and sensor guy suddenly gets hit by a rocket, now theres another group ready to fight and people scramble to look out for the agressors, I think hawk men will have enough on his hands by looking out for the agressors and sensor boy will be busy bursting a nearby sneaker to have the other sneakers EASILY reach their desired targets and take them out NO SWEAT because DESNEAKING that bluesuit happens to be a colossal achievement for any non hawk build.
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Now you have added more to just one guy bursting from sneak. Now you have team based tactics, which is exactly what the perks were meant to create!

It gives a reason to form small groups and have different niches and work together, not just in TC or PvP fights, but gathering, crafting, etc.

Ofc, I don't say SD is not OP or it is, I know its too early for these statements.

JovankaB:

--- Quote from: Gaizk on January 14, 2012, 09:27:48 PM ---Oh and was johnny pointed it out, add the fact all you need is entry gear to pull it out... TC Influence will be about controlling a ghost town.
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You could think people doing TC will be able afford motion sensors.

Gaizk:
Ok but you still havent answered me, once a fight finally breaks loose, Sensor guy  and Hawk men wont be able to relay everyone the positions of sneakers, actually hawk men will surely be hit first (guy wearing a sniper rifle is an open invitation) and Sensor guy will be real busy by himself. This game is fast paced and the one class that has always benefited from sudden an unexpected moves have been the sneakers, saddly now they are mostly invisible but to a few tools and they can now instantly kill you if you fail to find them.

While not a flawless build indeed, its just too much advantage its just ridiculous, Im ok with a sniper taking a shot from afar and automatically rolling a critical, thats fine with me, because that critical will hardly ever be insta kill, because that critical can be healed and at times even shrugged off completely, and besides snipers have always been more tactical than invisible predator rambos (Right ravenous?)

Solar:
Well, we are getting into a silly level of detail for a general point now, once we are getting into team dynamics there will always be options. I don't think the central point even in this thread is that SD will dominate team PvP because teams should be able to either use the trick themselves or guard against it.

We were talking about being ambushed by one person without any defence, which is countered pretty easily by having one extra person come along with you.

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