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Whats up with new players?
Stration:
Let us quickly, point by point, where one point relates to one consecutive post, recapitulate what's happened in our discussion so far, before I proceed.
1. I said that, given all the resources that new players have at their disposal, there could be no justifying their lack of knowledge.
2. You asked me, "How does the ignorance of others justify the stuff you do?"
3. I replied, "It's not about their ignorance, it's about their unwillingness to learn," and also mentioned the concept of 'tough love.'
4. You failed to address the first part of my reply, instead focusing on: 1) presenting your methods of helping new players; 2) trying to ridicule my claims by presenting a sardonically written, yet inadvertently accurate account of what would be going on in a new player's mind if he got killed; 3) comparing FOnline to other MMO's; 4) portraying the relationship between two players as that of a victim and an oppressor.
Only one point of the above was pertinent to any of the points I made in my previous posts, but that didn't matter; you obviously wanted to have a longer discussion, and I had nothing against it.
5. I addressed your points, pointing out that: 1) your methods of helping new players are very similar to mine, except that I tend to reinforce my message by killing them; 2) the story you presented was, in fact, a fairly accurate account of what might come to an average new player's mind should he get followed to a tent/killed, etc.; 3) the fact that FO differs from other MMORPG's is the exact reason why we should treat new players the way I treat them; 4) there is no victim-oppressor relationship, but rather a hunter-prey relationship between a player and a player killer.
6. You replied that: 1) as long as new players learned from the experience, you saw no problem; 2) killing new players teaches them nothing, as they are incapable of analyzing simple situations and drawing conclusions; 3) my approach would be good, if we had a larger player base, also adding that were you to adapt my modus operandi, you'd feel stupid as looting a shovel or a pack of cigarettes would be beyond your dignity; 4) the victim-oppressor relationship did exist, substantiating that claim with an observation that players tend to feel bad should they get killed.
7. I pointed out: 1) your patronizing attitude towards other players/people, which made it impossible for us to reach an agreement on several issues; 2) you misunderstood one of my points, which I clarified.
At this point I was fairly certain that the discussion was over, but little did I know what was going to happen.
8. You wrote that: 1)you, and I quote, 'could [present] many radical examples of [my] "treating like an equal" looking really bad,' 2) "the most important matter was - ruining the playerbase," which I didn't address, contrary to your expectations.
So called 'ruining the player base' clearly wasn't presented as more important than any other issue in any of your previous posts, in fact, it was hardly indicated at all.
9. I replied that: 1) you were more than welcome to present your examples, in the existence of which I highly doubted; 2) you were repeating things that I had already addressed and when doing so had proven your claims wrong; 3) there was no 'ruining the player base' going on, and even if there were, the players affected by it should not have been a constituent of our player base to begin with.
10. In this post you: 1) once again assured me that you could come up with many examples, among which that of Hitler wouldn't be considered an outstanding one, yet still failed to provide them, also making a rather rude reference to my father; 2) produced a series of rude, uncalled for remarks targeting me for no apparent reason.
11. In this post, I: 1) replied that you would have to do better than comparing me to Hitler and insulting my parents; 2) pointed out that the statistical data you provided was imaginary; 3) briefly commented on the ad hominem arguments that you had used; 4) asked you to stop making a fool of yourself and stop the discussion, which at that point was nothing other than me trying to calm you down.
Now onto the meat of this post.
--- Quote from: TommyTheGun on January 12, 2012, 12:26:10 PM ---Oh shit, I think I started arguing with way to intelligent guy... After all, he's able to use wikipedia.
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I tried to make my message as short and clear as possible. Wikipedia came in handy, saving me a lot of trouble, and allowing me to present what I was going to present in a fairly concise manner.
--- Quote from: TommyTheGun on January 12, 2012, 12:26:10 PM ---Also, I wrote, that Hitler comparison won't be the best one I can come up. How come, the only thing you understood from it was "Oh shit, he's comparing me to nazis! Im gonna paste some links from wiki!" ?
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*sighs* I am still waiting for you to pull those excellent examples you've been talking about for several *days* now out of your sleeve. Will I live to see the day when it finally happens? Let us wait and see...
--- Quote from: TommyTheGun on January 12, 2012, 12:26:10 PM ---I should start the next sentence with "Kid", but I'm not that kind of guy, so:
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Of course you're not. Just because you compare random people to Hitler, use imaginary statistics, change the topic of your conversation whenever you like and try to insult other people's parents (as listed in the SPOILER above), it doesn't mean you are 'that kind of guy.' Not at all. Not you, the cool guy, no. Keep telling that to yourself, and everything's going to be fine. Just fine.
--- Quote from: TommyTheGun on January 12, 2012, 12:26:10 PM ---Dude - We were discussing something here. It''s actually you, who changed the subject into more personal ones.
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Wrong. See SPOILER, and follow it to your own post where you did exactly what you're now trying to accuse me of.
--- Quote from: TommyTheGun on January 12, 2012, 12:26:10 PM ---Also - you're the one who actually included Adolf into conversation, making a big deal of the part bout 3rd reich. I think if you had some more distance to the whole matter, you would see it wasn't used as a serious argument.
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Are you serious, or is this another 'joke?' Go back to your previous posts and read what you wrote.
--- Quote from: TommyTheGun on January 12, 2012, 12:26:10 PM ---Closer to the joke rather, I don't expect you to undarstand it anymore though. Also - it's not very bright idea mentioning the second point, if you can't undarstand a simple joke and didn't actually get the part where I tried to indicate, that it's not very fair move to use sentences like "[...] wise child" in annonymous conversation. Especially - since I'm pretty sure I'm older than you.
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Well, if you're older than me, that certainly makes you right! I suggest that, instead of desperately clinging to the phrase 'my child,' which was used in a harmless manner, and only to indicate that it was, perhaps, high time you had realized that you started running in circles, you should try and address the actual *content* of my posts, rather than their wording.
--- Quote from: TommyTheGun on January 12, 2012, 12:26:10 PM ---100% of all statistics on the other hand, say that guys that take everything so personally and bark at everyone who tries to start discussion with them are deuchbags ;) 100% can't be wrong.
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It's not me taking things too personally here, and trying to insult my interlocutor. Take your time, read through our conversation once again, and realize the terrible truth.
--- Quote from: TommyTheGun on January 12, 2012, 12:26:10 PM ---100% of all statistics on the other hand, say that guys that take everything so personally and bark at everyone who tries to start discussion with them are deuchbags ;) 100% can't be wrong.As for my english. I'm not sure if I should even comment it, but I'm glad you did it. You can check on wikipedia what language is used in Poland. One little hint - it's not english - so before you get any more cocky about it, tell me how well you speak polish
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I merely made an innocuous remark concerning an issue in general. In short, I criticized a tendency rather than any given person. Of course, you mistook it for an invective, as would be expected of someone who, to use your own words, takes everything so personally and barks at everyone who tries to start a discussion with them.*
--- Quote from: TommyTheGun on January 12, 2012, 12:26:10 PM ---All in all - Im pretty sure you're able to argue about stuff that really doesn't matter for hours. Especially since you tend to take it way too personally - I'm going to suggest to switch to actual subject and start discussing like a healthy, adult person should
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Here's one more Wikipedia link for you, enjoy.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pot_calling_the_kettle_black
*- the formatting that the forum uses made it impossible to quote properly, quotation marks and square brackets were omitted
Michaelh139:
http://www.imagebam.com/gallery/k8xj8tc884beejut4ob6kyuy0d8no1ac
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Reiniat:
I personally dont like mercs, they take the pleasure of do it for yourself and are easy to use, but hard to keep well armed. Anyway GOOD TROLL ;D
I used last 4 days mostly for lvl up, but i found many guys, and new friends, before of troll me with "n00bkillah" im lvl 11 and most of my victims have more HP than me (fuck 6END).
This is my Fonline collage, not over yet:
Gatling:
I still have good experiences in Wasteland. Be simple bluesuit HtH, find enc... It's a vs! SMGguy is waiting nearby, too, though. Not one word is spoken. And neither is any attacks exchanged. We work together and kill entire enc, loot and leave without an issue.
Happens rather often to me, always considered myself lucky in the wasteland. In all seriousness I have more friendly interactions out there most of the time than in a city. You'd think not, with the player paranoia, but it is One of the main things why I like wandering for player enc on WM(and also miss Tracking >:( )
terranous:
--- Quote from: Stration on January 08, 2012, 07:07:59 PM ---There are so many readily accessible articles on "how to not suck," both here on the forum and on our wiki, that anyone smarter than a mutated brahmin can easily educate themselves and, guess what, not suck when playing the game.
Therefore, there's no justifying NOOBS who let others enter their tents, attempt to strike up conversations in random encounters (both with players and NPCs), do not move away when someone tries to steal from them, etc., etc.
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I mean seriously, these guys should just not play, I mean if your not serious like us then don't play fallout. You see us PROS spend countless hours memorizing the wiki for a game made 14 years ago. You see us PROS sit in front of computers with tubes in our mouths and asses hoping we wont have to get up from a 12hour streak of playing fonline. Us PROS are soo badass because we understand how to play video games better than others
JEeez noobs just gotta stop being noobs, I mean you should just start as a pro!
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