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[avv]

With silent death you can cause massive ammount of damage when one-hexing with smg. You can do 300dmg on BA with 10mm smg. This will be used in safe towns for grief-purposes.
I can only suggest that the perk is disabled in safe towns via script, if possible.

[Rage master]

no, so what someone will kill you, did you use it against ++toughnes and ba? there is perk man of steel if you dont want get high crit.

[RavenousRat]

Well, that's what perk created for ;p
To assassinate unexpected victim.
That's really bad for me to suggest this, but: May be if guards will see a sneaker in guarded town, he should break sneaker's sneak instantly. So it still will be possible to assassinate someone in dark corners of guarded town where no guards, but if you'll run to NCR bazaar, for example, and get into guards' FoV, your sneak will end instantly, then poor bluesuiters can idle in NCR more safely and don't make threads about suicidal killers 24/7.

[avv]

no, so what someone will kill you, did you use it against ++toughnes and ba? there is perk man of steel if you dont want get high crit.

Dude, silent death auto-crits from behind when sneaked. So it will kill most targets instantly with cheap weapons. And that's what suicidebursting is all about: making your enemy lose more than you did.

Well, that's what perk created for ;p
To assassinate unexpected victim.
That's really bad for me to suggest this, but: May be if guards will see a sneaker in guarded town, he should break sneaker's sneak instantly. So it still will be possible to assassinate someone in dark corners of guarded town where no guards, but if you'll run to NCR bazaar, for example, and get into guards' FoV, your sneak will end instantly, then poor bluesuiters can idle in NCR more safely and don't make threads about suicidal killers 24/7.

I agree. Assasination in dark corners is alright but it's hard to implement. It will turn into "right on the edge of dark cornsers assasination" and whatever nonsense. Assasination is okay but you know surviving is part of assasination and that's what suicide bursters don't do.

[Solar]

I think we just need a trading area in the Hub, then there'd be little excuse for standing around in full equipment in a safe area.

[JovankaB]

Maybe silent death should only work with aimed attacks.
Most sneakers are bursters so I don't really see the point in making them even stronger.

[Rage master]

stronger? come on p90 will be finally tc weapon, it is more easier to make p90 snekaer than lsw

[avv]

Maybe silent death should only work with aimed attacks.
Most sneakers are bursters so I don't really see the point in making them even stronger.

It would be useless in that case, except for enclave abuse. It's because sneakers have luck1 and one ensured crit anywhere is way too unreliable offensive measure to base a build on.

Sudden death sneak has its strengths, but it also downsides. Once you're seen you have no means to deliver serious damage unlike lsw sneaker.

[Sarakin]

The tooltip on silent death says HtH, Throwing and Pistol attacks. Why there are still SMGs included ?

[falloutdude]

The tooltip on silent death says HtH, Throwing and Pistol attacks. Why there are still SMGs included ?

smg is one handed so its kind of a pistol.

[Marko69]

I'll take that perk.

[DJ Bulva]

Me too. Having finally sneaky build 4 after wipe.

[Sarakin]

So you all agree, that SMGs should be included in this perk, which will promote endless trolling in guarded cities and unfair advantage in unguarded ones ?

[avv]

So you all agree, that SMGs should be included in this perk, which will promote endless trolling in guarded cities and unfair advantage in unguarded ones ?

It's okay in general combat but awful griefing tool. If you take off smgs from silent death perk, its pretty much pointless because pistol singleshot and grenadecrit aren't nothing special.

[JovankaB]

My proposition is to give this perk 10 LK requirement, so at least you couldn't do 1 LK build that does massive crit damage and have very high other stats. So it would probably die from 1 guard shot or couldn't burst 2 times.