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[justtroll]

No, no. It's iOS.

Again you , please create own posts, I cant feed you forever.

[Jackall]

Let me suck ma mom's milk 

[gr1m055]

Ok enough of this stupid troll bickering.

No nobody knows whats going to happen to the major pvp gangs and factions next wipe. Its all just hypothetical thinking. Or if you are bad at English its just a thought or something thought up for something that hasn't happened. Its just a thought and something I would attempt to get going. I have the most fun this session doing big number town control fights and would like to get a faction going next wipe so this type of fun continues.

And anybody who is in tttla/c88 gets tired of the swarm term because its true, you guys do swarm and always have numbers when others don't. But that is not what this discussion is about, its a pre-planned thought of starting a PvP town control faction next wipe. I just want to get a faction going for players who love PvP and town control.

But you know it could go either way it could be a lot of people splitting up starting small gang factions, or the current players well stick with theirs and re-create their big numbered factions. Nobody knows for sure, but I am simply stating that I am creating a PvP faction next wipe and would like for anybody who likes PvP to join so we can fight other factions who are the same. Its just to keep the fun going next wipe for PvP players.

[Marko69]

Those who don't take this serious, after wipe they'll whine about getting pk'ed. Then they'll join TTTLA/c88 swarm, and they remain the happiest people in the world for whole their life.
I am capitalist now. I can see my self in the future, paying people to play game for money, like Chinese farmers, then I'll show you PVP.
We rage therefore we are.

[gr1m055]

Or... they might get PKd then turn pkers themselves.

I do not think tttla/c88 are the happiest people around, they got a taste of their own medicine on what its like to be swarmed, then they start losing a lot of battles lately and I hardly see children of atom holding any towns now that they are losing more battles.

I do not think I would be a happy person if I was in a faction in which everybody hates and is the #1 target of trolls.

Oh and TTLA never claimed to be anti-pk, better be careful calling them anti-pk because they might post a bondage fetish picture with your 2238 alias on it. Nobody knows whats going to be the politics of next wipe for all we know tttla well be disbanned along with C88. I mean current members might take what they know playing with them and try to create their own faction. Or they might attempt to re-create children of atom nobody knows.

Come on marko I thought you knew better, there is no such thing as anti-pk. People sign up for crazy88 because they hate PKers then all they end up doing is town control and killing members of other factions who are about keeping a mining town safe like our friends in broken hills hunters. Or they go fight other PvP groups who generally aren't random PKers like hawks.

We're all capitalist, paying somebody to play a video game for you isn't really capitalism its a good way to get your self into the poor house. People who pay Chinese video game farmers do so, so they can sell rare items and money on a website for people who do not want to spend hours on end farming. Capitalism is about profit there is no profit in paying somebody to do something for you without making a profit. And that's why we need more games more like 2238, I'm sure there's plenty of people who would love to PK Chinese farmers but are restricted to do so because of game mechanics. I generally do not like these types of business they have somebody hog all the farming spots make it difficult for somebody who wants to do it themselves without paying real life money. And it gets annoying when a server is flooded with advertisements for these types of businesses. It ruins video games if you ask me, whats the challenge in getting a rare item if you can just pay money to have it?

But anyways just my thought on that. Back to the issue at hand, post-wipe faction there has been much discussion on this so I do not know if this faction well go as planned as I had written a few post earlier. But there is a plan to get a big faction going is all I can say for now.

[Brick]

I do not think tttla/c88 are the happiest people around...

I love it how you make these massive assumptions about us. It just shows how little you really know.

I do not think I would be a happy person if I was in a faction in which everybody hates...

This should go straight into the epic quotes section.
Are you a happy person Gr1m?

I officially rage quit I can't take this game any longer too much bull shit that pisses me off and hope you all burn in hell.

You sure?

...there is no such thing as anti-pk. 

There is no such thing as anti-pk in the way you decribe it, but for us, it does exist. I suggest you read our updated wiki information.

..all they end up doing is town control and killing members of other factions who are about keeping a mining town safe like our friends in broken hills hunters.

You seem to forget that bhh are only non-pk in broken hills, as you have all told me countless times. I have seen you and your friends raid redding often when CoA or even Tsar have owned it. I see nothing wrong is seeking revenge for such deeds.

Or they go fight other PvP groups who generally aren't random PKers like hawks.

This season is ending, and one of the last enjoyable things left is pvp. Do you see the Hawks complaning? I don't, and I believe that to be because they are also seeking some enjoyable fights.

[gr1m055]

I never said I was happy person and never claimed to be. But continue believing the anti-pk bullshit And yes we all write stupid things when we are raging, I was pissed off a rollback put me in the middle of broken hills and I logged on in middle of sneaky raiders when they were taking the town when I wrote that particular post.

So tell me you wouldn't rage if you were going to save redding and because of a roll back all your faction members are in middle of town and get shot 1 by 1 logging into the game by the enemy faction taking it?

And you're faction didn't attack TSAR LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL! HA! You guys are the reason why they are never around you guys basically just stomped their role play project with your tttla allies. At least the few people I played with at the time fought them because it was an even fight and we never took the town we just fought them for fun. And TSAR also had fun fighting us and we consider it the good ol days before your group came around and ruined a perfectly good thing.

Redding was a fun town to hang out with miner alts until you guys came along and start shooting everybody, and pulling the stupid wall of justice bull shit. Redding is a dead roleplay project no thanks to your group and nobody goes there any more its a dead town practically.

Still believing you're fighting factions because they are PKers that need revenge upon? The way I see it your higher ups just say "anti-pk" and use it as a recruiting mechanism so they can get numbers for town control. I highly doubt Leon gives a rat ass about people getting PK'd. You know guys like TTTLA and Leon are more interested in the action than hunting down PKers.

You know when I first started doing PvP with BHH C88 attacked the town daily for the mere enjoyment of town control action and nothing more along with TTTLA. I don't think they came to broken hills to fight BHH to get revenge on pkers.

But you know you guys never like the taste of your own medicine we secretly set up to do a massive swarm on you guys with hawks then you guys start crying about swarm and rage. It was epic and I think it puts a smile on everybody's face thinking about it. Then you in particular come in to broken hills peacefully just want to chat, and I shoot you which is pretty much what your faction does to people in redding.

But you know this seems like you wanted to do a personal attack on me because you generally do not like me more so discussing a post wipe faction which I doubt you would join. Haters going to hate

[John Porno]

And you're faction didn't attack TSAR LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL! HA! You guys are the reason why they are never around you guys basically just stomped their role play project with your tttla allies.

first off, tsar denied to have any intentions of doing rp in redding, they always said they only wanted the town for the sake of it (caps, mercs and militia, nothing wrong with that). SO your argument is already invalid by now, I wouldnt even need to continue.

However, your hypocrisy totally needs to be fed so I continue to say that Tsar with their 5members back then took redding off a 10-20 member alliance. Let me rephrase that: They attacked the territory of a by then politically neutral gang without a good reason. And now to add to that, C88 and TTTLA ALWAYS had the policy to support roleplay, even if pvp towns are sacrificed.

If a 5guy gang like tsar or bhh want to have a town, what do they do? Of course they dont come on irc and talk to the gang holding that town, asking if it's ok to take it for roleplay (which would have been accepted) but they just attack it.

And what do we do? Of course we are bad bad pk's if we play the game as it is intended to play by doing tc.

You know when I first started doing PvP with BHH C88 attacked the town daily for the mere enjoyment of town control action and nothing more along with TTTLA. I don't think they came to broken hills to fight BHH to get revenge on pkers.

Same problem as above. We own broken hills, bhh go in and try to take, we go in and defend the town. It was already 2 weeks until we received word that BHH were active again to do some roleplay in that town. I personally tried to get the word out to BHH that they are welcome to negotiate with us about the town.

This is actually more "rp" than standing around in downtown, boring the hell out of each others bluesuits.

but anyway, bhh kept attacking and we kept defending. If they are 5 guys and we are 10, well, they are in the weaker position and should contact us first, this is how a wasteland would work, right? Or maybe we should kindly ask anyone that tries to take our town if they want some pie to go with that?[/quote]

But you know you guys never like the taste of your own medicine we secretly set up to do a massive swarm on you guys with hawks then you guys start crying about swarm and rage. It was epic and I think it puts a smile on everybody's face thinking about it.

yeah, I remember that weekend of hawks rage. Started out on friday with a chain of fights in broken hills, 20 against 35+ militia iirc. We won these fights and after that weekend, this sort of "alliance" fell apart and hawks cooled down a bit.

or maybe you mean the tsar rage, when tsar, hawks, amboys, rouges and whatnot teamed up to take back redding, that we so wrongfully attacked? see above.

and also, I think these last posts certainly are related to the topic of creating big alliances. In fact, we are all discussing just that,

[gr1m055]

It's just the way brick makes it sound like "HE BADDY WITH HIS BADDY FRIENDS ATTACKING SAMARTIANS". But you guys attacked them also... With more numbers than I ever did.

No No I am not talking about recently, I'm talking about back in june/july when BHH was a huge faction and you guys would attack it daily. It was even stated by Leon that you guys didn't start winning many fights until you started fighting BHH, easy target to pick on which has nothing to do anti-pk. This was before children of atom I was referring to.

And nobody "needs permission" or negotiations to take a town. You take town attempt to defend it until it lost that is how this game goes no permission or negotiations.

Oh yes C88 notorious for taking towns then selling it to people then taking the town right back. We can't forget that stunt.

Look I have no problem with you guys taking towns doing PvP but stop acting like you're some sort of white knights who do no wrong and are anti-pk. You guys have just done too much dirty stuff to people to be called a white knight anti-pk group. I don't consider you guys anti-pk I consider you guys a pvp group.  And I just love how you guys justify your actions as always being right LOL.

The Samartians held that town and were the anti-pk force of redding and actually made the town fun until you guys came along and made it impossible to take it back because of your 20+ person faction.

These evil Samaritans town stealing faction was a 5 person group in which you took 20 people to take the town and horde it for yourselves. That is what you guys generally do is gather 20+ people to kill a 5 person faction which is why generally nobody likes your faction.

You know you guys give the impression that you are some PK hunter group, but you don't really hunt down pkers do you, you guys just do town control for the sakes of fun and for the action just like anybody else. You guys still PK people when you hold these towns, you shoot blue suits, you guys are no different than any other pvp faction in this game. And the way I see it you guys don't negotiate to take towns either you just show up to take them, if anything you want to horde all the towns to your self because that's what you guys generally do, and you call me a hypocrite lol.

I don't ever see you guys negotiate with hawks, bhh or sneaky raiders if its ok to take their town, you guys do it no different than everybody else you just show up take the town don't give me that bull shit lol. I'm sure when children of atom holds every town on the map they asked all the factions who held the towns previously if they could take it

[headshot]

first off, tsar denied to have any intentions of doing rp in redding, they always said they only wanted the town for the sake of it (caps, mercs and militia, nothing wrong with that). SO your argument is already invalid by now, I wouldnt even need to continue.

We actually had some. But you know... without shouting "imma doin mah RP!" everywhere where we can. It happens when someone prefers doing more than just talkin'. I think you didn't accepted some BBS guys walkin' in Redding normally, so you've found first reason and attacked us. It's normal and nobody's upset. But that's my personal

stomped their role play project with your tttla allies

I'd like to call it that so-called "project" or wherever you call that have entered to the new phase.


@John Porno: Why do you still have butthurt about Sarmatians? Sth personal?

[gr1m055]

I'd like to call it that so-called "project" or wherever you call that have entered to the new phase.

Yes a "project" is more suitable word than role play project but some how that is the terminology of the game. And PvP is more suitable than pk and anti-pk.


But you know I would hope that this sessions politics well be put aside and we have new and different factions than what we have currently. 

[Brick]

But you know I would hope that this sessions politics well be put aside and we have new and different factions than what we have currently.

Doesn't this contradict the whole point of this thread?

[balio666]

The main problem that led to Redding project's dead is that people only thought about caps. The fact is we weren't grinding caps because the militia was extremly expensive to keep up. We thought about RP, you thought about caps, that's the difference but like Killian said nobody is upset because all TSARs knew it was going to go that way sooner or later. It was fun, we hope that people enjoyed it like we did but it's over by now.

Btw, if you think we didn't RP in Redding then you never came have a look John... yes we didn't claimed it everywhere but we did several RP events or simply talking RP in town.

[gr1m055]

Yeah your guy's militia was ridiculous.

But you know here is where I think brick doesn't understand about PK. I had fun going into the town duking it out with Samartians. Sometimes other PKers from other factions would show up then I would get into a fight with them. It would get crazy at times we would show up to fight samartians then CS would be there then get into a small battle with them. Then when it came time to mine it was a fun place to stay around chat read funny roleplay chats on an alt nobody knew about. I think at one point redding was becoming like NCR for the place to hang out and to chat with other players. I mean at one point NCR would be dead and everybody was at redding being trolls.

.s PK AT MINE

[LeonTheNorse]

Oh yes C88 notorious for taking towns then selling it to people then taking the town right back. We can't forget that stunt.

Mkay?

Tsar "bought" den from us as we had for some time, i cant recall us taking town right back?

Strange how i was there sometimes to defend town with some of them 1-2 weeks in then.

Tsar probally know better then me how long it was they held it after they bought, as i recall it was quite some time.