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bg balance
T-888:
--- Quote from: avv on December 13, 2011, 04:40:12 pm ---AR and p90 got buffed in current unwiped version and were they any better? BG still outdamaged them. Like I said: when you got two things that matter which are damage and range, you won't end up in balanced situation. The one that does more damage in the general fighting range 1-30 hex is simply better and there's no point to use the latter.
It looks like fnfal and enfield were just brought to same level with AR and p90 and that level is still inferior to bg.
So as you can see, many sg burst weapons (not enfield or fnfal) got damage buff but all those guns are either completely rubbish or only somewhat useful in pvp.
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Yes they got damage buff that wasn't enough , now they are increasing the damage furthermore.
Read my previous post again , range and damage are not the only factors for how good the weapon can be , different weapons with lower requirements allows you to make builds with other utilities , just like the lsw allowed this season or p90 witch was used enough , maybe not in TC where RL clearly dominates , but fuck RL will always dominate. :)
If SG rifles will have somewhat decent damage , they may prove very viable combat characters , as i said lower requirements allow space for other utilities.
won't show any other builds , otherwise nubs will copy paste all.
avv:
--- Quote from: T-888 on December 13, 2011, 04:54:48 pm ---Read my previous post again , range and damage are not the only factors for how good the weapon can be , different weapons with lower requirements allows you to make builds with other utilities , just like the lsw allowed this season
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Yeah but the requirement difference between minigun and lsw is a bit more steep than sg and bg.
LSW vs minigun tradeoff is 1str and 2-3 perks. Used to be also 5 points of luck, which is really something. I think the current nonwiped version is more balanced between mg and lsw than it is in cbt.
BG vs SG tradeoff is 1-3 STR and 1ap per shot. That's not really good tradeoff for the smaller damage, you can maybe squeeze one extra perk because not needing weapon handling and easier 2x burst but it simply isn't good enough.
While lsw can for example become crit or tank build with the perks slots it takes to make minigunner, sg just underperforms. p90 is the minigunner of sg and pancor is the lsw due to not needing brd. But avenger gets massive bonus from brd compared to p90, doesn't really help that p90 shoots faster. Lsw can onehex, has longer range and shoots better ammo than pancor. However since lsw can't run now, it might be balanced vs pancor. It's just minigun that could be breaking the balance.
T-888:
--- Quote from: avv on December 13, 2011, 05:46:53 pm ---Yeah but the requirement difference between minigun and lsw is a bit more steep than sg and bg.
LSW vs minigun tradeoff is 1str and 2-3 perks. Used to be also 5 points of luck, which is really something. I think the current nonwiped version is more balanced between mg and lsw than it is in cbt.
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If minigun will be walk only and lsw will be able to run , then i think it's a huge difference.
--- Quote from: avv on December 13, 2011, 05:46:53 pm ---BG vs SG tradeoff is 1-3 STR and 1ap per shot. That's not really good tradeoff for the smaller damage, you can maybe squeeze one extra perk because not needing weapon handling and easier 2x burst but it simply isn't good enough.
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You can squeeze in another perk + the -1 ap to shoot allows you to make 2x instant burst without the need of bonus rate of fire perk , so that is already 2 perks man + compared to it it's light + extra special points , easily obtainable , you will be able to run with it. Seems like very decent tradeoffs compared for the lowered damage , since you won't be able to go 1 hex with a minigun anymore.
Well easily obtainable and light weight are not the main indicators why the weapon is good , but still it does mean those weapons have some kind of advantage. For example you go in a team fight with two FN_FAL's , since their fucking easy to find and get , just switch weapon slots when you need to reload :) players do that with rocket launchers since their cheap and effective , but no one will bring two miniguns or m60/lsw in inventory , since their heavy (not all builds allow that)and much more expensive to loose.
--- Quote from: avv on December 13, 2011, 05:46:53 pm ---While lsw can for example become crit or tank build with the perks slots it takes to make minigunner, sg just underperforms.
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Try the new FCP , SG can as easily become a crit or a tank build. Under performs only in raw damage.
--- Quote from: avv on December 13, 2011, 05:46:53 pm ---p90 is the minigunner of sg and pancor is the lsw due to not needing brd. But avenger gets massive bonus from brd compared to p90, doesn't really help that p90 shoots faster. Lsw can onehex, has longer range and shoots better ammo than pancor. However since lsw can't run now, it might be balanced vs pancor. It's just minigun that could be breaking the balance.
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Well you know that p90 could be the ultimate weapon for sneakers , hard to say will it see the light at last. I was the first to make a p90/silent death build and tested the features to it's maximum potential. Pancor is just shit.
I just think rifles could compete and should with BG weapons next season , since SG gets beefed up in general again.
lsw and m60 won't stay walk only , i am sure it will be changed as it is in known issues thread reported as something to be fixed :)
so maybe we should make some suggestion in cbt forum section , to increase the range of SG rifles. Wouldn't you want those weapons to be viable in combat ? I am afraid that they will still be crap weapons because of rocket launcher superior range , i don't think minigun will be the problem :)
manero:
Why BALANCE is always related with bg nerf? ;)
Wichura:
--- Quote from: manero on December 13, 2011, 08:01:28 pm ---Why BALANCE is always related with bg nerf? ;)
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How to balance game weapons in few simple steps:
1) read some random whine on forum
2) nerf BG
3) done
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