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The Rules are not being taken seriously...
Johnny Nuclear:
--- Quote from: T-888 on October 25, 2011, 01:38:55 PM ---Hell yeah , dual log for life ;D gm's have already banned 4 my characters , but only 2 were actually dual logging the ... blah blah
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whine moar, if you dualloged you deserve it.
--- Quote from: Izual on October 25, 2011, 11:32:42 PM ---I personnally settled this down with the team around one year ago, when I decided to stop fighting for the rules - where nobody will support you, ever
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nah There always were some players who supported it. But offcourse always just minority :/
Michaelh139:
--- Quote from: Izual on October 25, 2011, 11:32:42 PM ---As a GM, to struggle so that rules are not broken brings more problem than not doing it, both from the rest of the staff and, above, all, from players. It is frequent to see someone posting a thread to complain about the rules, but rarer to see someone reply to say rules are fair, dual-log should be punished, or to defend GMs.
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How does the other staff cause you a headache when trying to solve problems without breaking rules? And why would you care what some players say? The majority of those are trolls... others are just angry and letting off steam or uneducated at the game. And there is no reason to reply that the rules are fair, because they are fair. Nuff said. Also, this is a thread saying dual-logging should be punished, so is this not motivation enough to go out and do the right thing that you and very few other people have the ability to? Unlike the helpless players being punished by the very cheaters you should be catching?
--- Quote ---I personnally settled this down with the team around one year ago, when I decided to stop fighting for the rules - where nobody will support you, ever - and focus on the making of events. Though lack of time is still a problem for me and everyone else :) (Note: same problem applies to events, you always get 99% negative "feedbacks" (i.e. insults), but players that appreciate these would never post to support you. And then everyone wonders why events are rarer than ever..?)
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Surely you've gotten a thank you, or a thumbs up, or some "friendly" critique. Because I've seen it. On the forum, about your events. It is hardly 99% negative feedback. and even less are insults, for forum at least. And the people insulting you are the more than likely the very people who break the rules, so you should really be taking pride in it, or if you really think it is deserved, look into the situation.
I figure GMs are as offline as much for same reason as players, waiting for wipe, not this.
--- Quote ---I don't know if other GMs stopped checking dual-loggers and banning offenders, but if they did, then you're all guilty. Because if you wanted a fair game, then you should have fought for that instead of watching the GMs struggling. Enough said.
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We're "all" guilty? That's a pretty broad accusation, and I think for this and this alone, you do deserve to be insulted, because hardly everyone is to blame just because some players are trolling you, or that you or others choose to stop using your ability for the better good of the beta-test. And players fight for fair game every day, whenever they report to GMs cheating players, or report to GMs about bugs. I also don't see how GMs are struggling. They're/Your job isn't to develop content, only to disable bugs for fixing, or ban cheaters, which only really requires you sitting around watching youtube vids waiting for a player to report a problem, and for you to do a quick investigation, and make a decision, then it's back to youtube or whatever your other internet preference is.
I don't have any right to tell you you have to do a good job, or you have to do it period. But I do want you to understand why I felt this post was wrong, and possibly misinformed/understood. It's not like you have to listen to players complain. Just avoid their posts all-together and try to focus on what positive you can find.
I hope you reconsider your statement on not bothering with the cheaters, and understand where I am coming from.
T-888:
--- Quote from: Izual on October 25, 2011, 11:32:42 PM ---As a GM, to struggle so that rules are not broken brings more problem than not doing it, both from the rest of the staff and, above, all, from players. It is frequent to see someone posting a thread to complain about the rules, but rarer to see someone reply to say rules are fair, dual-log should be punished, or to defend GMs.
I personnally settled this down with the team around one year ago, when I decided to stop fighting for the rules - where nobody will support you, ever - and focus on the making of events. Though lack of time is still a problem for me and everyone else :) (Note: same problem applies to events, you always get 99% negative "feedbacks" (i.e. insults), but players that appreciate these would never post to support you. And then everyone wonders why events are rarer than ever..?)
I don't know if other GMs stopped checking dual-loggers and banning offenders, but if they did, then you're all guilty. Because if you wanted a fair game, then you should have fought for that instead of watching the GMs struggling. Enough said.
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Okay this all doesn't sound candy and fun , i think game masters and even staff sometimes take the " negative feedback " too much to heart , it really depends on how you look at things.
If you see someone complaining , giving you your called negative feedback , criticism and even insults?!?!(maybe from special persons witch you should just ignore) etc. etc. and you think of it " ahh another whiner who doesn't appreciate our work like we don't do enough already " or " oh look someone gives us feedback on what needs improvement next time we will act ".
Would you like to see all time positive feedback that everything is fine ? I hate to disappoint you but i ain't familiar with this kind of happy land.
Do the staff and game masters need feedback about subjects , features , game mechanics etc. etc. that are already really fine , good , perfected and doesn't need any change ? This is not a troll i'm just asking. Because then i will start to make useless topics like " i love 2238 combat system " where i would count things witch i like about 2238 combat.
If you want players to support some impossible systems , rules and features that are horribly wrong then i think your out of luck.
If you still see that there is still a player base , a community , people are kicking ass and chewing bubble gum in redding then you must have done something very right and really good in the past few years to hold them here and they like this server , do you really need acknowledgement for such things ?
avv:
--- Quote from: Swinglinered on October 25, 2011, 08:21:48 PM ---Base escorts and joint tents increase the utility and flexibility of characters in teh game.
Getting those things done without having to wait for a friend to be online gives an advantage over those who do wait.
Logistic concerns are not inconsequential.
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It's only away from my patience and my friend's patience when I have to bother them with some simple task. They have to stop whatever they were doing to help me with a thing that takes 1 minute, or I have to wait for them to finish the task. How is it away from my enemy that me and my pals don't have to deal with pointless waiting? Is this game some sort of waiting competition where the one who gets bored first loses?
In the end everyone will have all the gear and alts they want so getting gear and alts fast don't matter anymore. In such situation when I face my enemy somewhere with equal gear it doesn't matter a damn thing whether or not me or him had the advantage of transferring alts in base or making tents with dual logs. But if he or me dies in that combat and jumps back with a dual logged mercleader, it's starts to matter.
OskaRus:
--- Quote from: avv on October 26, 2011, 11:25:12 AM ---Is this game some sort of waiting competition where the one who gets bored first loses?
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I think that this question should explain difference between harshnes of wasteland and bad feature.
Anyway imho dual loging should be encouraged like in Eve and not prevented. We have low player population and if it become doubled because of dual logs it is still increase. You can anyway effectively manage only one char in combat. And if client would allow dualboxing it would simplify it for those already using it and allow it for everyone else.
Rules which are not taken seriously by most of comunity does not indicate that comunity is made of evil villans but that those rules are bad. Any rules which are not guarded by serverside scripts are easily bypassable and very hard and painfull to enforce.
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