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Talked to crazy88 guys
John Porno:
First off, I agree to your first paragraph as well, but I'd like to take a closer at the following passage:
--- Quote from: T-888 on September 28, 2011, 12:23:03 am ---If i would be a new player i probably would think your just some merceneries for tttla
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This is the main problem of this forum; most of the people that post here are known pk's and since the gang issues section is for issues, the majority of posts are made by those that just got killed or that just dont like a certain faction/certain people.
As a result, most of the posts on here a wrong in a way that they are only based on one point of view, on only half of the facts, on a misconception.
And in the end a lot of people are too naive and think that what is written here is the truth. Of course Michael139 is best informed about the current constellation of gangs and has all the insider knowledge one could get of tttla, crazy88, hawks and whatnot.
At least that's what a new player would think.
Yes, we were TTTLA minions, that was last year when the only people of crazy88 with pvp chars were leon and me, joining tttla to help them. Nowadays though it looks differntly, sometimes even the opposite. The spammers dont care though and keep spurting that bullshit form 6months back. But anyway, that wasnt even the point fo your statement, I know.
My position as an APK player is quite easy to sum up: I only shoot known enemies (enemies as in people that are confirmed to once have shot an ally) and people that piss me off. Granted, a lot of "innocent" people might fall in the second category but hey, this is the wasteland. If soeones standing in BA+minigun in the middle of the street you dont run up to him and a bluesuit and talk shit.
My way of the APk even goes that far that I leave people that are unknown to me the first shot when I meet them in reno. At one point I was standing in front of eldriges's with cmbtlj+plasma psitol and a guy with a polish sounding name, m60 and metal armor spawns. I still left him the first shot.
If you are not an idiot and not a known pk'er then you wont get shot, simple as that. The difference between apk and pk is just that for me.
Michaelh139:
--- Quote from: John Porno on September 28, 2011, 02:32:16 am ---And in the end a lot of people are too naive and think that what is written here is the truth. Of course Michael139 is best informed about the current constellation of gangs and has all the insider knowledge one could get of tttla, crazy88, hawks and whatnot.
At least that's what a new player would think.
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I see your obscure trolling very clearly but I suppose i might as well explain my view-point for everyone else's fyi. (I admit using word "minion" was a bit derogatory but this was the only more closely describing my opinion-fact that seemed appropriate to what I have seen)
No matter what your gang, or tttla has ever put on the forum about being anti-pk or following some "law", nothing I have seen of either of you ingame (on a normal character no one even knows about just pveing) or otherwise, have I have managed to live past 5 seconds of seeing your nicks. TC or not. Also, I have been around with many gangs on the server, and despite all of them being pks (besides one quite recently, however surprisingly they have the same opinion, what a surprise) they have all had similar experiences as mine and only reason they have such a poor opinion is because one main reason, word, and ethic: "Hypocrisy".
I don't think anyone likes hypocrites. I don't, they don't, probably very few people on the server could possibly stand a hypocrite. I don't even think a hypocrite could stand a hypocrite. However that's the only opinion I've managed to gather involving TTTLA and everyone allied to them. (despite peacekeeper alliance, there is a reason it didn't last long)
However, during my researches through my time on the server, there have been a "Few" cases where you were praised for whatever you were doing. But eventually, their opinion, too, changed into a negative for the exact same reason mentioned in the previous paragraph.
So honestly, I think with this post I'm done talking about it on forum. As this seems to be the only thing being spammed related to gangs, which is getting extremely old, and I wouldn't be surprised that other people are getting very irritated by it. (despite having the choice whether or not to read the posts... It is only news on here, so it's kinda all they got).
Eternauta:
--- Quote from: kttdestroyer on September 27, 2011, 04:30:52 pm ---I am talking in general.
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You are not talking in general. You talked about a question which I "have still not answered properly" - It made me think of a question you asked in our recruitment thread, about killing innocents in mines, with a screenshot of some dudes over a corpse (no context), and which got deleted after that ...after you apologized for spamming our rec thread.
So after spamming our rec thread, you spammed this one as well.
I would like you to take a look at the recruitment applications posted in our gang forum. A lot of them were posted by guys who "have heard only good stuff about C88", or "who hate griefers and so think C88 is the best faction for them".
I would like to know why it's you, KTT, the one who's spamming aggresively and the one who turned this thread into a flamewar. Your comrade Killian has posted here as well but with a much more moderated tone, and Lacan was the one who apologized in our recruitment thread before all comments were deleted.
--- Quote ---You state that TC and AntiPK/PK thing doesint work together, which doesint entirely make sense to me.
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It makes sense if you read what I have said: when you're going to fight in a town, you can never be sure who's innocent and who is not. It's very easy to make a mistake during TC, so when on TC, being APK is just a reason for others to whine about you being "hypocrite", or something similar.
We are being honest here: you will probably get shot when we do TC, because game mechanics don't allow us to be sure who's dangerous and who is not. But if we encounter you around the wastes we won't shoot at you unless you're a known enemy, PK, whatever.
--- Quote --- But, what i know is that you can do a TC like we do, meaning, take a town and have some fun hanging around with random people, help them out and so on... Until Metal Thugs, TTTLA, C88 or CS comes kills them, occupies the city and kills more of them ofcourse.
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Another smart comment. So we can "do TC" like you do: "take a town, etc" ... So how should we take the town? Doing what is need to be done to take it and probably making many mistakes in the process. I think this is not weird for an APK TC gang.
Sarakin:
Beginners are a myth. Either they dont exist anymore, or they hang in NCR/VC/Hub. Those so called begginers in unguarded city are mostly alts of gangs that participate in TC. Or real beginners might wander there too, but with current cooldowns and travel speed, the value of lost items after being killed is almost non-existent. :-*
Kelin:
--- Quote from: Sarakin on September 28, 2011, 12:38:56 pm ---...but with current cooldowns and travel speed, the value of lost items after being killed is almost non-existent. :-*
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Maybe for you, but not for the most of the beginners. I remember times when gathering 10 brahmin hides took me like 3 days.
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