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[T-888]

Do we came here earlier when we got swarmed on Redding earlier ? No. The other days ? No. Do we complaign in general ? No.

Listen you even mentioning " swarm " aka big numbers ? Guess what , who was the first to make another swarm ? Rest of the server is always adapting to your numbers not vise versa , haven't you noticed that , the only subject we complain about is your stupidity , hoping we can get a straight answer and maybe understand you , but instead you post some bullshit!

Just so everyone can know, we aren't "Reese's Gang"...noone wants to be, seriously.
We are just freelancers, part of the GR/DoW/S8/BHH alliance.
If you really want to troll us, you can call us "reese's gang".
Just had to say this. 

Yes , you are reese's gang because he is the main indicator that you are around Everyone knows you are freelancers , but it's hard to mention you guys , you don't have a name aka the faceless blob

End of topic for me, have fun complaining, we have fun in game 

Since when pve is fun ?

[Nice_Boat]

Lawyers prevet roleplaying in downtown, I start new project - when Lawyers criminals have town, all people of good will can gather around last gasp saloon and mine entrance! Then we can roleplay downtown folks are douchbags who hate good mine folks! Like 2 quarters of town...

I mean real RP not killing miners. Make Last Gasp Salloon new meeting place!

Something like old Modoc militia, actually guarding miners, not hidng behind militia in downtown and killing innocents...

Knights! Squires! Commoners!
Is this Queen Redding? Does she deserve our swords? Is she the hero we need, or the hero we deserve?

You know what, Jovanka? You can have me if you stop running and start learning to accept your fate. Through pain to salvation, methinks.

[headshot]

Lawyers prevet roleplaying in downtown, I start new project - when Lawyers criminals have town, all people of good will can gather around last gasp saloon and mine entrance! Then we can roleplay downtown folks are douchbags who hate good mine folks! Like 2 quarters of town...

I mean real RP not killing miners. Make Last Gasp Salloon new meeting place!

Something like old Modoc militia, actually guarding miners, not hidng behind militia in downtown and killing innocents...

Well, not bad idea, Jovanka. But I'm afraid that Children of Atom would ruin this too in the name of revenge for two Sarmatians who've helped Hawks in Gecko...

[Nice_Boat]

Why are you guys even complaining about TTTLA/CoA anyway? All they could do in the past week was take the town at 3AM and lose it the first time somebody bothered to attack it. All you really need to secure any town more or less for good is some badass militia and 3 or 4 guys willing to log in and support it on short notice. The thing is that people who are capable of doing that prefer to have some PvP there instead, especially since 3AM-prime-time TC makes any sort of control of any town a little bit retarded. Heck, I'd say it's a good idea to disable TC during GMT night hours if not for the fact that there actually are some people who play from America, unlike certain European players who just lack cojones to face their opposition in an open fight and prefer being joybreaking assholes instead... really, I'm at loss for words when people act like that, breaking some other guys' projects just for the sake of lying they can control anything in the wasteland when in fact they can't. It's just really, really low.

[Jotisz]

I would rather see the tc actions time zone dependent then force all to play by GMT daytime so Den, Redding  and Brokken Hills each would have 8 hour till they can be captured then no matter what the city is untakable. Madoc and Klamath should stay as it is.

[Josh]

I would rather see the tc actions time zone dependent then force all to play by GMT daytime so Den, Redding  and Brokken Hills each would have 8 hour till they can be captured then no matter what the city is untakable. Madoc and Klamath should stay as it is.

If you're saying have each town capturable only during a certain time I give +1

[Jotisz]

Yeah thats what I whished to say.

[Brick]

I would rather see the tc actions time zone dependent then force all to play by GMT daytime so Den, Redding  and Brokken Hills each would have 8 hour till they can be captured then no matter what the city is untakable. Madoc and Klamath should stay as it is.

TC used to be like this, but it was taken away for various reasons.

Personally I am against it as it discriminates against a minority based on location (I am gmt +13).

[Eternauta]

It's not my intention to put a this The Truth kind of end to the discussion about what's going in the town this thread takes its title from, but instead I would like to step on the "outer" side of the discussion and ask the reader to NOT define the faction I am a part of (Crazy 88) only from the alliance it's in at the moment (Children of Atom) and especially not only from what this alliance does in Redding. Please don't define every single Crazy 88 member only from what the faction does in Redding, and don't define FOnline 2238 only from Redding.

This is at the moment the only thing I am insterested in saying. I can't care much about the "inner" and most important part of the discussion, because as I said on my other post here, this will most probably be all over magically after a couple of months or something, so there is not point in trying to add anything to a discussion which is dominated by those who don't really want a positive solution to this drama.

[Simon]

Lawyers prevet roleplaying in downtown, I start new project - when Lawyers criminals have town, all people of good will can gather around last gasp saloon and mine entrance! Then we can roleplay downtown folks are douchbags who hate good mine folks! Like 2 quarters of town...

I mean real RP not killing miners. Make Last Gasp Salloon new meeting place!

Something like old Modoc militia, actually guarding miners, not hidng behind militia in downtown and killing innocents...

Kokoweef Kool Kids for life. Happy hour at Last Gasp Saloon, all beers on me.

[Josh]

Kokoweef Kool Kids for life. Happy hour at Last Gasp Saloon, all beers on me.

perhaps with a different name...

[maszrum]

People on 2238 complain for 2 years about our time zone. Ask MSH, it was same shit during NA VS DA time etc.. At your 20 dude is 14 for me and I work....

yea its the same story over and over again, since developers disabled "tc-window" -  actually i dont know why they did that, everyone was pleased with thoes system.. maybe only few windoes required small changes but generally it was ok.

from our point of view you are hidding in NA vs DA (dark alliance ? wtf - that was dark side ..of the wasteland btw) most of the players was from europe. most of them -becouse every team have people form different time zones. you guys have many players form north america , we have  many players from asia (siberia, kazahstan) and i belive we can find some solution for our "problem" if we really want to.

[Nice_Boat]

Well the problem with finding solutions together is that some people are interested in chivalry and fighting for the sake of fighting and some people (a minority, but there's enough to make an impact) care only about "winning" in terms of outcome - ie. not winning battles, but having their name out there in pipboy. You can't really settle anything with the latter group because they have a "everything goes as long as we profit from it" mentality. I mean look at the situation with militia - I think about 80% of PvP players want to play PvP without any militia involved and would gladly agree for a pact that bans the use of militia, but the remaining 20% will buy it no matter what so in the end almost everybody tends to use those overpowered bastards. It's not only a problem with Redding, but other TC-enabled towns as well... and honestly, I don't know if anything can be done about that without a major nerf to the militia. I mean it was never supposed to be a gamebreaker or something gamechanging even for the bigger alliances, it was supposed to be a safeguard against trollcaptures; 400 HP and S-tier weapons are just doing way too much and I don't think anyone would disagree that the militia is the single most important factor during TC battles (ie. everything you do during a fight is centered around militia as long as there are some alive). There are so many issues that could be solved if gangs came to an agreement... sadly, in the current reality of the game any lasting agreement seems to be impossible Even if we came to terms on such issues, there'd always be assholes that break the rules, somebody would get mad and retaliate in kind and bam - the entire agreement is shattered. Happened so many times it's a small wonder that people still keep trying. Honestly, I don't see any way around that.

[Johnnybravo]

Bah I'd rather have militia than just to find every day that Jean and his 4 friends had some free time in the Canada. But this horse has been beaten enough, there is no way to make everyone happy.

[RavenousRat]

Why not then make town captured by gang A if only atleast X members are alive and are in town, if they leave/die, the town will belong to No faction. When town under your control, every X minutes or some period of time you'll get some benefit from it, if you'll come at night when everyone is sleeping you'll get bonus, then others will come at day and they have have bonus and everyone will be happy! But if more than 1 gang will come at the same time they will have to make other gang dead or else there will be no bonus. And if someone at night will capture town and will keep it to get bonus, noone will see thier name at pip-boy, because everyone is sleeping, and at morning they will leave anyway, or someone will come and kill them. May be that bonus can be affected by players online at server, but then they will have to use proxy alts, I mean thier grandmothers and cats, to play game, but still it's hard to imitate day's online at night. Also bonus can be affected by number of players inside town, this way there will be a reason to protect people, if there will be less than 20 players, then no bonus at all, and than more alive people standing in town than more bonus. So to get benefit from capturing town at night you'll need to use alot proxies and call all your friends who will hang in town just to get that bonus.