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Low equip locations
snailbeast:
the current Tier system is kinda unbalanced now.
There are weapons
t0 - craftable without profession
t1-3 craftable with profession of same level
and there is some other weapons like Gauss Pistol, LSW, Gatling Rifle, zip-gun and other good and shitty guns.
Which ones shoul be used?
If we are speaking about t0 Items, what will you do with Laser Pistol?
If we are speaking about t0-t1 Items, what will you do with Rocket Launcher?
If we are speaking about non-tier weapons - what will you do with LSW, Gatling?
System is unbalanced and there is no way to say if there is a way to implement something like this now.
Developers are going to rework crafting system with wipe SOON so i`d rather to wait until wipe.
Lordus:
Oskarus: "I dont think that that is the way. Restrictions always bring more pain than gain."
Look at the problem from different angle. Allowing players to PvP i.e. in Junktown only with pistols, is kind of deregulation, elimination of restrictions, creating an obstacles. Or: Locations are empty. Restriction that could bring new kind of gameplay is better than do what you want in players empty place.
This idea is here that i think, that players would like to fight in different kind of combats.. Many players whine, that in Hinkley you cannot use LSW and Avengers.. But on other way, competitive P90, nade and others (power)builds are often used there. By same intention and motivation, new chars specialized for pistols, unarmed or melee could be used in some location.
I.e.: Old gangs are playing TC in northern cities.. they are superior to new players because of 1-2 years betatesting knowledge (best builds, best weapons, best ammo, best knowledge how to play, best...). But "New gang", fully specialized on pistols only (Junktown pistol only place) could get their knowhow at this place and they can be superior over old gang players.
I understand you Oskarus, but seriously, i dont think that there would be possible to balance all of the weapons (and even more would be implemented after 3D). Devs. think in same way. They want to allow use some weapons in Faction scenarios (G11, maybe power armor) only, because they dont want to ruin the current balance.
So why not to use all time empty place and allow here to fight only with all time never used weapons in PvP. I remember old days, when there was not needed to TC best tier weapons, we fought with low equip agaisnt best equip and it was fun, it was something new.
Snailbeast: you are wrong, it looks like you did not participated in any TC this or past eras.
Sniper powerbuild X pistol powerbuild => 9/10 sniper will win (range advantage/hendicap). You could admit that snipers can be killed at close range, but good PvP snipers never came to close range (thats work for Avenger, LSW bursters...). At first few eras i used to wear pistol like secondary weapon... but there was no time or reason to use it.
At the end, real life similarity: Imagine situation, that there is kind of semi guarded city.. Dont kill locals, but if you want to kill non locals, you can do it. But dont use big weapons, it is restricted, because you can harm locals or guards.. It makes little sense.
Kelin:
--- Quote from: Lordus on August 16, 2011, 04:26:47 PM ---You could admit that snipers can be killed at close range, but good PvP snipers never came to close range (thats work for Avenger, LSW bursters...)
--- End quote ---
That's only a myth I don't know where it came from but I hear it all the time. This is true only in desert without buildings and stuff. Every sniper is often forced to get at close range towards his enemy. Also many kinds of (mainly doubleshot) sniper builds are vulnerable to lsw sneakers that means your sniper is dead even earlier he realizes a sneaker shot him.
Lordus:
Kelin: dont waste this thread by useless posts. I used simplification in my posts to underscribe problem, that low tier weapons are not used in PVP.
Do you use 10mm pistol in PvP? Do you use 223 pistol in PvP? Yes? How many times did you shot from pistol last year? 10 000 times? 1000 times? 100 times? 10 times?
Do you understand about what is this thread?
jonny rust:
I have wanted something like this for a long time. I much prefer lo-tech combat as it feels more in the spirit of fallout imo. To be honest I'm just sick of everyone running around a wasteland with factory made weapons... where are the factories?
I hope the revised crafting system in the next test helps this along.
LONG LIVE THE PIPE RIFLE!
p.s. there will be more/better PvP when poor players are able to participate without having to worry about breaking their bank, not to mention fewer people will feel compelled to craft all day.
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