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Re: Reward from devs to long time playing factions
« Reply #45 on: July 30, 2011, 01:39:50 am »

But Hawks will be good hm? Seriously, i dont know why these gangs cant have something in towns(graffity). By the way, if there will be something in town, it means that this certain gangs isnt inactive. It was said that gang which somehow contributed for server will have something, not gang which was famous bilion years ago
No I don't want to see any faction graffiti in towns. I thought it was clear that it was only an example. Factions are changing constantly, people move from one faction to another, I really don't know any reason why should any gang have this privilege.
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Re: Reward from devs to long time playing factions
« Reply #46 on: July 30, 2011, 11:43:09 am »

No I don't want to see any faction graffiti in towns. I thought it was clear that it was only an example. Factions are changing constantly, people move from one faction to another, I really don't know any reason why should any gang have this privilege.

C) Why gangs should have get reward in (graffiti) any form from developers?

 1) They are betatesting.

 2) They are filling 2238 universe by missing content.. Small or big roleplay, even stupid play pn PK or ANTI PK is something that fills empty streets with something.

 3) Long time existing gangs brings and acumulate new players. (More players = more fun).

 I.e. Vault Silene Brahminy gang is linked with czech very popular Fallout games site madbrahmin.cz. Most players dont know anything about Fonline, or even about 2238, but their first infromation was from this site. Only our gang (and in czech community there are a lot of another active gangs, like Hawks, or solitairs), has cca 130 applications since january 2010 (since new gang forum).

 And czech/slovakian community is only minority in Fonline. There are a lot of other gangs who do the same job (french, polish community). I hope you dont think seriously, that most faction players are recruted on the NCR bazaar or 2238 forum. How they would find that this mod exist? I am not telling that this is only our (gang) credit, of course not, but very significant part of it.

 4) Gangs learn new players how to play this. Dont you realy think that players after fonline instalation know how to play, survive, enjoy this game? 90 percent of our aplicants write: "I want to join VSB, because i am dying too often in the wasteland, i hope i will enjoy some fun instead of pain in your faction".

 So we give them advices, basic stuff, teach them game mechanism and some gangs, likes ours, demand anti PK behaviour..

 5) Ingame behaviour needs little feedback. There were too many battles in TC cities and no ingame (story) feedback? Dont forget, Fonline 2238 is not Fallout 1 or 2. There is not background story, in Fonline NCR, there was never Chosen One from F1 or F2. But Linnela, Surf, Nixon, Crazy,.. yes, they were there. They were diying in TC cites and there is ingame relation between their factions and the locations.

 We have jet graffiti in New Reno.. But there is not Myron creating jet..

 6) Gangs would create graffiti by their own, so devs dont need to do many.. only check if the graffiti style is combatible with Fallout style and replace that part in the city.


 7) I see this discusion pathetic. On other servers, they allow to create own ground base under city.. to support roleplay. We are here discussing about few stupid pixels on the wall. Hello!!!!!

 Dont ask why gangs deserves reward, but ask in what way they have to be rewarded!

 8) Better orientation in cities.. Teamate: "Where did you see enemy?" Me: "Near BBS graffiti" Temate "ok, i know.."

 
 Your fear of graffiti is funny.. Cajuns, Orphans, TTTLA, VSB, BBS, Hawks, Crazy 88, Chosen soldiers, ... Simply.. the gangs who played major part in TC during last and previous seasons.. If GM cant recognize them, it is sad.

 Inactivity: VSB, at this moment, is almost inactive (like almost everyone in wasteland, who played at the start of current era). Rest of us plays together in temporary gang with Hawks and TTTLA. But after wipe, when our players will return (like every era. We have our own  questionnaire and statistic, we expect 20 or more players immediately after wipe. So the argument about nonexisting gangs is in many case false. VSB is proud that it is part of 2238 from the first open beta.

 How many TC cites we have? Six? So 1, 2 or maybe 3 new graffiti in each city. Oh My ....ing GOD! This will ruin the entire Fonline 2238! Cities will be more empty! Trolling will start on this forum!!! Newbies will be confused when they would enter into those cities. We would lost relation with our roots! NEVER!

 
 
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Re: Reward from devs to long time playing factions
« Reply #47 on: July 30, 2011, 08:07:55 pm »

I know where you are pointing Lordus but I could imagine other rewards than graffiti, even it was only an example of a reward. We already have this "Don't mess with [faction name]" thing, do we really need to highlight a faction owning a town? Guess what, only a part of this server participate in TC others simply don't care. Should they be forced to read these graffiti? (they visit nothern towns as well)
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Re: Reward from devs to long time playing factions
« Reply #48 on: July 30, 2011, 09:47:35 pm »

I know where you are pointing Lordus but I could imagine other rewards than graffiti, even it was only an example of a reward. We already have this "Don't mess with [faction name]" thing, do we really need to highlight a faction owning a town? Guess what, only a part of this server participate in TC others simply don't care. Should they be forced to read these graffiti? (they visit nothern towns as well)

Maybe not a graphic but a description in the chat: You entered Redding, town owned by VBS. Gosh
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Re: Reward from devs to long time playing factions
« Reply #49 on: July 30, 2011, 09:57:03 pm »

My god, forced to see a graffiti, poor bluesuits... Well, they are forced to hear the insult their murdereds are shouting, and noone complain about that. You own a town, so it does makes sense you mark you territory, and if poor south bluesuits don't care... that's good. They can don't care as much as they want, as I don't care of what happen in NCR.

Still, I think the spirit of what Lordus is saying is wrong: this not a reward, and not for a particular gang, beta testing, or whatever. It's just some RP effect of what we are doing in this fucking wasteland, I would love to see our actions having an actual impact on the game, participating to feed a big background, the history of this post apocalyptic california. Instead well... There is nothing, and no scar of what have been done before.
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Re: Reward from devs to long time playing factions
« Reply #50 on: July 30, 2011, 10:35:00 pm »

My god, forced to see a graffiti, poor bluesuits... Well, they are forced to hear the insult their murdereds are shouting, and noone complain about that.
Yes, but later they can find these murderers and then kill and insult them. What can I do when I think graffiti are ugly?  ???
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Re: Reward from devs to long time playing factions
« Reply #51 on: July 30, 2011, 11:11:09 pm »

What can I do when I think graffiti are ugly?  ???

Take the city and hold it long enough to replace it.
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Re: Reward from devs to long time playing factions
« Reply #52 on: July 30, 2011, 11:50:04 pm »

Some kind of hall of fame on this forum where " veteran " factions would be listed maybe their names would be linked to fonline2238 wiki , maybe some description about them why they are in the hall of fame or just a description about them in general. Symbolic , not profitable nor exploitable and i hardly doubt someone would cry about it but there is always someone who cry so just ignore few idiots. I believe it would be possible to agree on fair terms witch faction can be enlisted in the hall of fame , this just needs a deeper and better thought.I'm against any kind of reward ingame i have this feeling it wouldn't work well , btw requiem sucks deeply.
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Re: Reward from devs to long time playing factions
« Reply #53 on: July 31, 2011, 01:00:23 am »

I would love to see our actions having an actual impact on the game, participating to feed a big background, the history of this post apocalyptic california.
Chosen One was pwn3d in Klamath in 2241, during Tree Control fight, by OmGiPwNu guy with laz0r rifle (his last thoughts was - "where did they get laser guns in Klamath anyway?"). Fallout 2 never happened, Arroyo died from starvation, Enclave rules the Wasteland. What's wrong with that "having an impact in game"? :>
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Re: Reward from devs to long time playing factions
« Reply #54 on: July 31, 2011, 01:45:18 am »

Those graffitis, hall of fame or any other shit you suggested. For who do you want to make them? For other players? No, because they don't give a shit. I've heard about VSB, they pked me few times in Modoc back in the day - every other average player won't say any more. You didn't contribute anything but random pvp grindfest. No hard feelings about it but it's not something you get graffiti for. If you make some dumb graffiti for one gang why not for the other? Wiki page is enough of a reward for a gang.
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Re: Reward from devs to long time playing factions
« Reply #55 on: July 31, 2011, 02:00:31 am »

Senocular, you are cruel bastard. You tell these guys that are people, many people, that don't give a single crap about TC feature and whole "gang-bang improving Fallout universe" story. It's like telling kids Santa Claus doesn't exist. Damn you.

I never participated any Tree Control fight, never wanted to do it. But I can say I've done a lot for players, especially newcomers, which I helped at their beginning instead of pwning them for teh lulz. Graffiti on NCR's walls isn't necessary to me to feel satisfied, as I don't like NCR at all.
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Re: Reward from devs to long time playing factions
« Reply #56 on: July 31, 2011, 02:56:53 am »

Those graffitis, hall of fame or any other shit you suggested. For who do you want to make them? For other players? No, because they don't give a shit. I've heard about VSB, they pked me few times in Modoc back in the day - every other average player won't say any more. You didn't contribute anything but random pvp grindfest. No hard feelings about it but it's not something you get graffiti for. If you make some dumb graffiti for one gang why not for the other? Wiki page is enough of a reward for a gang.


For you, VSB mean "random gang of pVP-Tc apes who PKes me". For me, it is the gang with which I have fought many years in many battle and several diffrent alliance, for Rogues it mean one of their major ennemy against who they fought in many cities.

Fact that one gang X manged to keep town Y during long time and make it live is part of the history in this game, but nothing show it. It would be good if it was the case. Cause the fights, alliances, diplomacy, tries to make a town "safe", are the history of this game, and not a "choosen one who pown enclave".
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Re: Reward from devs to long time playing factions
« Reply #57 on: July 31, 2011, 03:58:54 am »

Please allow me to ask again - does the server not jump back to the year 2238 when wiped?

If so, how can actions made by players in past seasons add to the history of the game in the current season? If the server does go back to 2238 with each wipe then it works in a way similar to the myth of the "eternal return" which, according to Mircea Eliade, ancient cultures with strong religious thoughts had.

Eternal return:

With the celebration of the New Year, the people "travel" to the primal, mythical moment in which the gods created the world. The world is then "created again", from scratch. After the New Year rituals, "normal", mundane time starts running again, until the end of the year.

FOnline server:

The wipe cleans the game world completely and makes the server jump back to the original year (2238). All actions done by players are erased, and everyone has to start again.With every new wipe, history has to be written again, so making graffiti, monuments, etc., about past actions make no sense:

So gang A and B constantly fighting in one town for a long period of time will have to watch at graffiti of gang C, which doesn't play anymore...

So in order to implement content related to the "scars" left on the world by players, a cooperation between players and developers (like Kilgore said) would be needed to discuss about what exactly should be implemented. And this would have to be done almost constantly and new content should be erased with each wipe.

tl;dr: add stuff not because of how long certain gangs have been around, but because of their actions during the current season, erase it all with each wipe. Would be cool, would be interesting, but would require a lot of work and a tight and reliable devs-players cooperation (maybe impossible with the current playerbase), would bring rage, trolling, flames.
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Re: Reward from devs to long time playing factions
« Reply #58 on: July 31, 2011, 05:01:38 am »

Please allow me to ask again - does the server not jump back to the year 2238 when wiped?
Yes, It does.
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Re: Reward from devs to long time playing factions
« Reply #59 on: July 31, 2011, 10:28:19 am »

For you, VSB mean "random gang of pVP-Tc apes who PKes me". For me, it is the gang with which I have fought many years in many battle and several diffrent alliance, for Rogues it mean one of their major ennemy against who they fought in many cities.
Make a poll then, to show who are PvP-apes that would sell their mother to win Tree Control battle, and who are NCR woodsmans, that don't give a shit about whole monkey business. Even if it don't change anything, will be interesting to see the results :>
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