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Replace CH Check

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jangling:

--- Quote from: Perteks on July 17, 2011, 04:46:19 PM ---It can be just changed smooth talker skill to +2ch than +1 int to purpouse of dialogues

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Excellent! This is a great compromise i believe, and because next wipe we will have more perks it will be easier to combined with required perks (such as life giver).
IMO special checks (in everything, especially crafting) are very restrictive, the more workarounds the better.
It would be nice to have characters that could fight (at standard pvp level) and also had access to all the other things in games. Likewise characters that can talk, craft and quest that can fight in pvp.

jonny rust:

--- Quote from: jangling on July 17, 2011, 08:12:34 PM ---
It would be nice to have characters that could fight (at standard pvp level) and also had access to all the other things in games. Likewise characters that can talk, craft and quest that can fight in pvp.

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thats the dream imo and If we get to that state of balance I might stop considering this a beta test :)

Luther Blissett:
I'd rather see the balance worked so a 'normal' character (like you'd use in Fallout / Fallout 2) became a viable possible build. Whether it's by punishment (i.e. CH1 characters can't join gangs, travel as part of groups, or enter towns without getting shot at) or reward (i.e. combat skills and perks are taught by NPCs. Better skills are are taught to higher CH characters) or by whatever other system can be thought of, I'd see this as far preferable to making special measures being taken to make Ch1-mutants more dominant.

A CH1 character should be as abhorrent as a freakish child killer paedophile or something - rather than just being a minor inconvenience when shopping (one of my 'test' characters is a CH1 mutant - and yeah, he can't buy from some of the shops and can't lead a group... it's hardly the equivalent of setting any other stat to 1).

I know that nobody seems to have found a unanimously agreed solution to it yet, but if you're thinking of changing the game so low CH effectively means nothing, you'd be better simply removing the stat and some SPECIAL points.

[edit] ... which would then be called SPEIAL points, obviously.

jonny rust:
maybe charisma should effect your speech in someway like intelligence does. i.e. CH1 means you can only say a few words at a time, or even have a cool down as you have some form of aspergers disease :)

BTW i dont think there needs to be a universally agreed upon solution to this problem, just one that the devs like and want to test. then we see how well it works.

Senocular:

--- Quote from: Luther Blissett on July 18, 2011, 12:11:08 AM ---(one of my 'test' characters is a CH1 mutant - and yeah, he can't buy from some of the shops and can't lead a group... it's hardly the equivalent of setting any other stat to 1).


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You missed the point that SPECIAL stats aren't equal and they can't be made equal.

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