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No, that stuff takes hours to reinstall!

5 (21.7%)

Sure, I have plenty of time to reinstall everything weekly/daily.

7 (30.4%)

I might for awhile but, I bet I would get tired of it.

7 (30.4%)

I don't know.

4 (17.4%)

Total Members Voted: 23

Voting closed: June 27, 2011, 03:08:12 am

[WickWolf]

Wipe needed a.s.a.p how long we have to wait it? 

[avv]

IMO this was the WORST error ever done by developpers in the whole Fonline history. A lot of players have quited the game since it.

If bank interest was still there and banks had unlimited supply of caps, we'd have terrible merc spam and shops would be always full of caps and nothing more. Bank interest just doesn't work, handing out free caps is wrong. Same could be said about tc, the box hands out free caps regardless how the gang handles its town.

Rich players / alliance become richer and richer, and can pex over-optimized builds (jet , buffout, no strenght)....

Such builds NEED a strong economy to be playable: you can't loot, you need very expensive stuff, sometime EXTREMELY expensive stuff (Gauss).

Such characters are of course MUCH more powerful than even "normal" PVP powerbuild.

This is true, but you can blame the game for allowing so extreme minmaxing.

[Trias]

This topic (and variations of it) have been discussed countless times before. I've said previously that unless you go for 1 cha 1 int drugged up pk build then you can never compete.

To be honest now when I get pked I don't even see it as another person killing me I just see it as another douchbag NPC out to make my scavenging trips that much more dangerous. If we did cut back the PvP then the PvPers will start to whine so there is absolutely no way to please everyone.

As for newbies quitting, guess what? I was a newbie one and yes I shoveled shit for hours then got robbed as soon as a cashed it in. But I love Fallout and stuck with it now I'm still getting robbed whenever I have anything on me at all.

People who aren't interested in the game will quit eventually anyway.

Learn to live with the game as it is. We're not customers here, we play this fantastic game for free. So put up or shut up 

[Crazy]

Such characters are of course MUCH more powerful than even "normal" PVP powerbuild.

Even the best gauss powerbuild is totally killable, such things give of course an advantage, but good strategy, a bit of luck, or some skill is far enough to kill those characters.

[Zozio]

I have a suggestion for devs:

If you have removed the bank interests (and virtually removed the banks), why not removing the Gauss pistols?

This game needs more equilibration mechanisms.

- the banks removing, added with capital quasi confiscation INCREASES DISequilibration
_ the Gauss pistols iNCREASE DISequilibration


If there are less and less players the evening in the end of the week (when a lot of players should normaly be there), there are reasons....

A game need a critical mass of players. Fonline 2238 losses each day some players, and now, IT IS NEAR this critical mass bottom limit:

To be clear: there is a death hazard for this game.

When there will be only VERY big teams on this servers it will be the end .

To be more honnest I wait to see the 2277 is more equilibrated.

[Crazy]

I have a suggestion for devs:

If you have removed the bank interests (and virtually removed the banks), why not removing the Gauss pistols?

This game needs more equilibration mechanisms.

- the banks removing, added with capital quasi confiscation INCREASES DISequilibration
_ the Gauss pistols iNCREASE DISequilibration


If there are less and less players the evening in the end of the week (when a lot of players should normaly be there), there are reasons....

That doesn't make any sense. What is the link between bank interest and gauss pistol oO? And personnally, I would play even less without gauss pistols...

[Zozio]

That doesn't make any sense. What is the link between bank interest and gauss pistol oO? And personnally, I would play even less without gauss pistols...

Perhaps YOU don't make the ling, but A LOT a players makes it: MONEY.

A team power is NOT a power player' extreme build. This is almost nothing.

The power this is MONEY,

MONEY to buy ALL (even numerous Gauss at 300k caps each), to be able to pex expensive build,
MONEY MONEY.

The rest is a detail.
The caps, the dollars, are the key of success.

If devs makes more and more DISequilibrate mechanisms, in advantadge for BIG AND RICH teams, many players quit the game.

It is a question of choice.

But it is mathematic.

[Trias]

I have a suggestion for devs:

If you have removed the bank interests (and virtually removed the banks), why not removing the Gauss pistols?

This game needs more equilibration mechanisms.

- the banks removing, added with capital quasi confiscation INCREASES DISequilibration
_ the Gauss pistols iNCREASE DISequilibration


If there are less and less players the evening in the end of the week (when a lot of players should normaly be there), there are reasons....

A game need a critical mass of players. Fonline 2238 losses each day some players, and now, IT IS NEAR this critical mass bottom limit:

To be clear: there is a death hazard for this game.

When there will be only VERY big teams on this servers it will be the end .

To be more honnest I wait to see the 2277 is more equilibrated.

As has been said quite a bit the reason the numbers are low is because of he upcoming wipe everyone is waiting  for. Personally I'm not playing at the moment because I'm waiting for the wipe, but I do come on here everyday after work to get updates and news.

I just know for a fact if I started playing again, as soon as I made some decent progress the wipe will hit me like visiting the doctor after a $5 hooker.

[Zozio]

I also play at Civilization 4.

The victory key is NOT in developping a numerous army, but a GOOD army.
The victory key is the MONEY. To buy buildings, to buy units, to buy research.

But there are equilibration mechanisms: it is fun to develop a big empire.... but it has a cost.... and it is expensive.... at each turn.... (not only the first one).

[Crazy]

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Bullshit. This is not the real life, stuff is far more valuable than caps, you can't play only with caps, and they don't always manage to get you the stuff you need. Even if some players play for caps (htey can if they think it's fun), majority are playing for PvP/PVE (and few for RP) where stuff is all you need. You can't build a big and powerfull team with caps, but you will be able to with stuff. Expansive builds are expensive in stuff, not caps.
And it still doesn't have any link with gauss pistol.

Btw, capitalizing words doesn't make your speech better...

[Zozio]

Bullshit. This is not the real life, stuff is far more valuable than caps, you can't play only with caps, and they don't always manage to get you the stuff you need. Even if some players play for caps (htey can if they think it's fun), majority are playing for PvP/PVE (and few for RP) where stuff is all you need. You can't build a big and powerfull team with caps, but you will be able to with stuff. Expansive builds are expensive in stuff, not caps.
And it still doesn't have any link with gauss pistol.

Btw, capitalizing words doesn't make your speech better...

This IS the real life.

The most deadly weapons are BANKS.
Hitler has been beaten by american BANKS

I believe that banking institutions are more degerous to our liberties than stansding armies . If the American people ever allow private banks to control the issue of their currency, first by inflation then by deflation, the banks and corporations that will grow up around the banks will deprive the people of all property until their children wake-up homeless on the continent their fathers conquered .
[ Thomas Jefferson ]

/quote]

L'argent est le nerf de la guerre.

Catherine de Medicis
(1519-1589) Reine de France

Translation:

Money is the war nerve

Catherine de Medicis
(1519-1589) Queen of France

[yoz]

Yoz, well the problem is someone chased away all the normal players that a certain type of people prey on.  There are people out there though trying to balance the system out to fix that problem.

As zuhardu said, the game is easy. All you have to do is figure it out. I have no problem if the too stupid to figure out how not to die too much and the too weak to take dying from time to time leave.

I remember killing a bluesuit 3 or 4 times in a row in the exact same square. It takes a special kind of a person to repeatedly come back to the same square after getting killed there every time, but it takes a full retard to come back to the same square even after I explicitly told him not to because it is too dangerous to level near cities. I hope he quit.

Every time a bluesuit ragequits, my heart fills with joy, because I know I have raised the average player quality of the server. In fact, all of you should thank Section 8, which is just a  player-driven player quality control mechanism that rids the server of the too stupid to figure out how not to die too much and the too weak to take dying from time to time.

[Zozio]

As zuhardu said, the game is easy. All you have to do is figure it out. I have no problem if the too stupid to figure out how not to die too much and the too weak to take dying from time to time leave.

I remember killing a bluesuit 3 or 4 times in a row in the exact same square. It takes a special kind of a person to repeatedly come back to the same square after getting killed there every time, but it takes a full retard to come back to the same square even after I explicitly told him not to because it is too dangerous to level near cities. I hope he quit.

Every time a bluesuit ragequits, my heart fills with joy, because I know I have raised the average player quality of the server. In fact, all of you should thank Section 8, which is just a  player-driven player quality control mechanism that rids the server of the too stupid to figure out how not to die too much and the too weak to take dying from time to time.

Perhaps you're right....

But a certain laxism on insults is another reason of the players deficit.....

[Trias]

To be perfectly honest everyone who's bitching about PKers and the 'harsh wasteland' is exaggerating. I can imagine a lot more people come to these forums to get a taster of the game and are scared off by the bullshit than the game itself.

Every time you leave NCR you aren't Pked, you can mine in safety, you can create a character without resorting to a powerbuild and most importantly have fun.

There's so much bitching about 'balance' and the fact the game is 'dead' it's getting ridiculous. I admit I have posted on a different thread asking when the wipe is, purely because I love this game and it's sheer excitement.

Seriously guys you need to start posting more balanced views. The game is harsh for newbies and you know why? IT'S A GAME THEY HAVEN'T PLAYED BEFORE. I recently bought Mortal Kombat 9 and went online... Guess what I got owned. It's the same damn thing.

[Gatling]

I'm still catching up on all the posts, this thread seems rather proliferated from just last night when I seen it. Anyway, as I read on the new ones, I wanted to point out a few things.  Ignorance is not to be confused with stupidity.  Not knowing the game does not make one a moron.  That's just bullshit.  Now, you could argue that "They have wiki, they should know about the game and everything in it blahblahblah," except that is Never a valid argument. One should Not have to go read a wiki/whatever entirely Just to be able to enjoy the game. Hell, even after that, there's so many damn nuances in the game that its still rather difficult for anyone new without someone to explain shit to them. 

Sadly, People are assholes if given anonymity, it caters to a certain, dark aspect of ourselves and lets us speak and act like we normally never would without the fears of repercussions.  This phenomenon is not new.  That really is not the problem, but the gameplay almost seems to encourage or at least enable the Grife to an extreme extent.  This is not conducive to introducing new people to the game or even retaining them.  I don't give a shit for others reasoning: its a game, it is meant to be played.  Having it cater to a little niche of certain hardcore players is stupid if thats the 'plan' (and I don't really think it is, it's just that the present development has enabled this to a horrid degree and has never been repaired). 

Through design, bugs, and the general apathy of the Internet, we have at present a game that attracts little and loses much, including my own interest. Game is Broken right now and hope some of the issues will be redressed in the future.  It is stagnating right now and I myself am patiently waiting for (hopefully) fixes that will eventually arrive. Until then, the best I can describe the game for me right now is "Blah."

...Much longer than I thought it'd be, oh well.