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[Solar]

Can't access wikis from work, but judging from the link, what does Beer have to do with the LJ?

[Roachor]

Not much

[Solar]

As for Beer itself, I imagine something will be done with it at some stage, +1Ch seems reasonable ... for part of its effect anyway

[naskiel32]

umm about your question yea kinda nothing Solar u just killed me with this question so ive thinked u jokin
this link only show beer stats from all fallouts as point in that debate that this idea +1char -1PE is  "fallout correct"

[Badger]

Extra damage resistance would be better. Anything that makes 1 Charisma powerbuilds more viable isn't so good.

[naskiel32]

so delete mentats then as all(or almost all) 1 char use it anyway to get +char effect

[RavenWolf]

The whole point is so 1 cha players can interact with npc's.

you have mentats for that.
alcohol is very easy to obtain, if alcohol will give +2CH no one will make 3 cha players anymore.

but still i think is very reasonable that alcohol increase CH:

- increased self-confidence and courage
- increased sociability

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Short-term_effects_of_alcohol

maybe would be implemented a system for alcohol consumption.
EN will determine the max alcohol in blood for a character.

0.05%-0.11%: +1CH,  -1PE
0.12%-0.22%: -1AG, -1PE, +10 Damage Resistance (will change the words that the char say, add *hip* and some other drunk sounds)
0.23%-0.31%  -2IN -2 CH -1 PE  chance to turn black the screen and after a while the char will apperar in a random town.
0.32%-0.40% chance to fall unconciusness.
0.41%-0.50% coma, chance to death
effects are acumulatives

alcohol lvl = alcohol in blood / 30+ EN * 15
Beers: +3 alcohol in blood
Booze: +6 alcohol in blood
Roentgen Rum: +10 alcohol in blood
Rot Gut: +15 alcohol in blood
after each in-game hour, the alcohol in blood will be decreased by 3

it would be funny to see drinking competitions, and drunked chars (not only npcs) in the wastelans.

[Giemz]

0.41% coma and chance of death? Bullcrap Remember all those slovians and russians playing the game.

[naskiel32]

omg!! i've been dead so many times then!!    ok  now question u was mean percent or promil becouse that is a huge difrence imo. and yea we can drink better that most weak heads btw  u forgot about losing body control thing in that list

[RavenWolf]

ok  now question u was mean percent or promil becouse that is a huge difrence imo

here -> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blood_alcohol_content

u forgot about losing body control thing in that list

youre right, also will be funny to see people throwing up.

[TommyTheGun]

As for Beer itself, I imagine something will be done with it at some stage, +1Ch seems reasonable ... for part of its effect anyway

Its not. Its a suggestion of a guy that needs 2 extra points of charisma from time to time and dont want to get addicted with mentats. Thats not reasonable and it won't help to the game balance for sure.

If you want to talk to NPC's, you HAVE to "waste" those two points. Thats whats SPECIAL about.

[naskiel32]

when u dont have these 2 points in SPECIAL u can take some stuff THAT is why drugs/other shit like this is in this game. I agree about keeping balance about and all but  hey in this game balance is so $%^ hard to sustain so there will be alweys problem. It is with PA and it is with other decent stuff. Truth is i dont have problem with geting mentats i can just talk with my pal and have how many i want and im in small almost non PvP gang. Big PVP gangs members with total power bulids dont have this problem too cos they have caps/resources so can buy or craft it when they need it. But what with poor player who dont have resources? wasteland is cruel but this is just silly.

[TommyTheGun]

There are mentats already.

+

Making beer add +1 CHA is just stupid. You should instead loose CHA cause of talking bullshit, acting a bit slower etc. People more often loose their charm after few beers - not opposite. Trust me - I used to be a bartender IRL for quite some time. This idea is good only for powerbuilds and we don't need more universal soldiers.

[UbiValkin]

0.23%-0.31%  -2IN -2 CH -1 PE  chance to turn black the screen and after a while the char will apperar in a random town.

Town Portal? ;p You see PK and then start drink vodka for teleporting to random town.

[Badger]

Making beer add +1 CHA is just stupid. You should instead loose CHA cause of talking bullshit, acting a bit slower etc. People more often loose their charm after few beers - not opposite. Trust me - I used to be a bartender IRL for quite some time. This idea is good only for powerbuilds and we don't need more universal soldiers.

The man's right. Nothing's worse than having to talk to someone who's been drinking and you're dry stinking sober. Make it a combat drug. If someone is fucking awful to talk to, and the most unpleasant to be around a human being can be (1 charisma) getting him drunk isn't exactly going to turn it around.