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Akiko:
please tell me you met them near SF and they were unarmed - using only hth / power fist?

I got same.. I have 6 luck and 4 endurance and got  8 hits from them (each hit was crit, each was knockdown and knockout.. crits wo't hurt me much - around 8-10 dmg.. but last crit took 110 dmg.....) I was wearing ca.. and they have no power fists.. only later i saw that they bought PF for next victims.. ( when they came to sf city)...

Aditionally - on hit from that 8 was aimed hth attack at my chars leg.. obviously char was knocked down... and leg was cripled.. rest was aimed atacks on eyes / groin.. each knockdown + knockout

Just after that i have disscussed it with one kind GM but he has explained that i was unlucky...

manero:
Its not only because of low endurance. Its because of overpowered critical hits. Even with 10 endurance and stonewall u get knockouts. Its pain in ass... But what can i say. Snipers are for noobs, true mans or sadomasochists use big guns.

Akiko:
snipers overpowered?.. I don't thinks so.. Sniper vs big gunner - i think chances for wining are same and much additional things will decide on a final fight result.

Michaelh139:

--- Quote from: Akiko on April 29, 2011, 01:21:23 PM ---snipers overpowered?.. I don't thinks so.. Sniper vs big gunner - i think chances for wining are same and much additional things will decide on a final fight result.

--- End quote ---
uhhh...  You mean totally in the sniper's favor?  because it cannot possibly be the same, seeing the sniper has a 90% chance of giving a insta kill (Which knockouts count as insta kills, we all know it! that harsh -20-30 ap!) As well cripple to de arm which means we cant even use an alternative weapon, however snipers can take out a pistol....  They can cripple our eyes making it impossible to shoot (again basically an insta kill unless you have doc skill but they can easily do it AGAIN without cooldown).

Johnnybravo:

--- Quote ---Snipers are for noobs, true mans or sadomasochists use big guns.
--- End quote ---
It's because there is no ultimate Sniper/Energy weapon doing ~90 damage every burst with formidable range.
As well as this, needing high range and critical chance pushes their HP as low as 150-170 range, which is much less compared to 200-250hps which big gun characters can have. Not talking about base damage in armor done by single shots from Sniper and Laser rifle, are as low as 10-20 when not bypassing armor.

However, more it's bad, because single shot characters rarely value raw weapon damage (except for Energy Weapons, which might be on par with comparable Big Gun builds - ie laser vs rocket and plasma vs avenger ), this makes finesse easily accessable to exceptionaly long range characters, nearly guaranting critical shot in any limb if they come with 10 luck and two shots ( which is not that big problem with jet, even when they pay one extra AP per shot ).

Yeah it'd be nice if non-finesse snipers would not be doing 10-20 damage to armors, but say 40-60, and EW doing even little more, while seing much less secondary effects, and those being more predictable and costly to achieve.

I don't agree with buffing BG however, if anything Minigun should be brought above LSW, which should be toned a little down ( in versiability ).

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