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how many fonline people believes in church
Floodnik:
--- Quote from: Solar on April 11, 2011, 11:51:37 pm ---There are tests being done on fundamental beliefs? People are willing to accept that God does not exist until there is evidence found for him? No.
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Didn't I mention experiencing God in your life already? Someone who did, doesn't need more proofs. He is gonna believe. You're not gonna "touch" Him if you don't try. You won't understand.
--- Quote from: Solar on April 11, 2011, 11:51:37 pm ---Religion is completely illogical, it does not accept tests and does not accept the fact it may be total nonsense. The are in no way complimentary.
Religion is a lot more closely linked to a fantasy novel.
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Religion being total nonsense isn't a fact. It's a statement you, eniemies of religion created. And going to stand by it.
I already said religion doesn't collide with science and your beloved facts. That's what I think.
--- Quote from: Solar on April 11, 2011, 11:51:37 pm ---Correct. He is a hypothesis. There is just no evidence to back it up after much searching, so its a failed hypothesis.
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Again: it's personal.
--- Quote from: Solar on April 11, 2011, 11:51:37 pm ---Haha, let's get passed 2012 and the end of the Mayan calander. One crack pot theory at a time please.
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And who mentioned that? The only Christians who claim they know when the world is ended are the so called "Jehovah's Witnesses"(if that's how you call them in english). But nowhere in Bible is there a clear date given.
--- Quote from: Solar on April 11, 2011, 11:51:37 pm ---All just a matter of proof.
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Indeed. Proof you have to search for if you want to find it :)
Colombo:
Many of you should study biology more, because:
We are not only one with creativity.
We are not only one with rational thinking.
We are the only one that make those important things (antropic princip)
About evolution, evolution is more about "survival of the luckiest" so only antropic princip gives good answer for "why we are here?"
Science have made great progress. Many of those arguing "science can't explain all things" should study more, because they would realize, that many of those things that science can't explain were already explained.
cogliostro:
--- Quote from: Sius on April 12, 2011, 02:32:11 am ---You did not get me. My point is that most of us, no matter how noble mankind could be, would not hesitate when it comes to "natural selection scenario".
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I get what you said but, what that have to do with this? Obviously If we are a sane animal, wouldn't hesitate. No?
--- Quote from: Sius on April 12, 2011, 02:32:11 am ---Those who would hesitate => would be weak => would have to pass the right to live to stronger ones.
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I understand your point of view. What are you trying to inculcate with that? Why If we choose the one of our own selection, are we being weak? Living for the stronger? I think not.
--- Quote from: Sius on April 12, 2011, 02:32:11 am ---I know that we are Homo sapiens, but again you did not get it. I meant that by our own logic if we could timetravel and bring back our prehistoric ancestors and then as said breed them for meat/skin/labor, then it should be completely ok with everyone (except vegetarians/vegans).
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No exceptions, I doubt in the past when humans used to hunt more for survival have been vegetarians, when they ate basically meat. Agriculture happens later (Sedentary), when earlier was the hunting, but also harvesting berries (Omnivore).
--- Quote from: Sius on April 12, 2011, 02:32:11 am ---Because where is the crime? Its just an animal, so what? What difference does it make whenever it is sociable or not? Killer-whales are capable of sociability, such as many other animals. Yet do you see us trying to save every single one of them even those crippled ones? Does whole families dedicate their lives to feed crippled animals, that won't be able to live on their own ever again?
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Then you are writting about what we are or could be. Killer whales kill because of food, same as we, If there were nothing more else to do. I do not know about the life of a whale to answer If they feed crippled who are going to die, or are being left for dead.
--- Quote from: Sius on April 12, 2011, 02:32:11 am ---Through seeing ourselves as something more, something with soul, something created by god to his own image we have set out a journey on deadly path.
Which will ultimately be not just ours but their doom too.
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The term god has been created by Hominids, old prophets of Asia Minor invented for a purpose added, product of their creativity, power and the use of it over the other populations, who respected them and believe every single word coming out of: their mouths/manuscripts, and using that power and respect to take advantage and restrict their actions, now working as laws. Meanwhile they were giving answer to people of why they exists (but prophets can't), so they invented god as the creative force. There you have the dual-task conducted so well.
--- Quote from: Colombo on April 12, 2011, 05:01:33 pm ---We are not only one with creativity.
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But we have more creativity than other animals. There has never been said other animals weren't creative at a certain point.
--- Quote from: Colombo on April 12, 2011, 05:01:33 pm ---We are not only one with rational thinking.
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As well as hominids act very irrational at times. But this is based most in the fact we can restrain before perform something, thinking about benefits and consequences. It's about the level that fact holds.
--- Quote from: Colombo on April 12, 2011, 05:01:33 pm ---We are the only one that make those important things (antropic princip)
About evolution, evolution is more about "survival of the luckiest" so only antropic princip gives good answer for "why we are here?"
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I don't know about that principle, If you could explain more about the correlation between it and the thread, would be great.
Colombo:
--- Quote ---But we have more creativity than other animals. There has never been said other animals weren't creative at a certain point.
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Yeah, and horse have bigger penis. Does it mean that horse is better than human? That it is not animal? Creativity is only important for humans.
--- Quote ---As well as hominids act very irrational at times. But this is based most in the fact we can restrain before perform something, thinking about benefits and consequences. It's about the level that fact holds.
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Even when you think you behave rationale, in most times you only rationalize what you subconsciousness ordered to do.
--- Quote ---I don't know about that principle, If you could explain more about the correlation between it and the thread, would be great.
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It is quite simple.
Questin many people ask: "Why there is universe and everything so we could live, breed childrens and be happy? Why we have such inteligence and free will to be good or evil?"
answer through (weak) antropocentric principl: if universe was different, you wouldn't ask that question.
Creativity is important only for human, from evolution point of view, it is something like bigger penis for horse. It helps to breed more and survive (breeding is waaaay important than survive, the survival should be "survive till can breed")
T-888:
My programing does not include this " god ".
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