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Scrap PvP Stealing
pistacja:
I was all for scraping thiefs... but now that I think about it, I would miss them.
Maybe if only shoping was safer (ticking timer, 300 radios, 100 mausers and try to find that one item you want while looking for thiefs) reputation had value and you could get your items from the dead thief (you used AP for bursting him so the next guy can take all while you wait) then it'd be ok to get robed from time to time.
Rascal:
u miss one important point - trolls gona be trolls.
scraping thiefs just gona make some part of this game DEAD. After that those Trolls just gona turn into suicide burster with buddies to pick up loot or turn into suicide bomber or what is a REAL problem now (in oposite to thief characters) -> they gona make em selfs idolized and shoot u for lulz and fun. Trolls gona always find their way to troll - its a state of mind.
HertogJan:
--- Quote from: avv on March 01, 2011, 10:22:37 AM ---So you risked nothing and gained massive benefit. Doesn't sound very balanced.
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There are many more ways to make your fortune in this game without risking anything.
Thieves can spend hours without making anything because people avoid them or shoot them when they failed.
--- Quote from: avv on March 01, 2011, 10:22:37 AM ---This sentence has been stated over and over. The answer is always the same: it's not good gameplay. People hate having to move away from harassing thieves. They don't like the system where the thieves propose a constant unmovable annoyance rather than occasional challenge.
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Your argument has been stated over and over again.
So I'll respond to it once more:
- not everyone uses steal, some simply use the animation to scare you away from the trader to free it so they can trade. Those are not thieves
- not everyone walking next to you when trading is a thief. There are also (sometimes idolized) bursters who's friends will loot you
Not to mention some are just standing next to you waiting in line.
Personally at traders I'm more afraid of bursters than of thieves. Thieves are easier to avoid than bullets.
--- Quote from: Rascal on March 01, 2011, 01:06:50 PM ---they gona make em selfs idolized and shoot u for lulz and fun. Trolls gona always find their way to troll - its a state of mind.
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This will be fixed according to devs.
You're right. This game is filled with trolls and grievers. It doesn't depend on pc, but on personality.
Remove steal and they find other ways to troll. Both at traders and elsewhere.
avv:
--- Quote from: HertogJan on March 01, 2011, 01:16:54 PM ---There are many more ways to make your fortune in this game without risking anything.
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Like grinding. But when it comes to stealing, you're taking from players. In cases where players rob others there is always a risk for the robber to lose his gear aswell, it doesn't apply to thieving.
--- Quote ---Thieves can spend hours without making anything because people avoid them or shoot them when they failed.
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Yet why they do it?
--- Quote ---Your argument has been stated over and over again.
So I'll respond to it once more:
- not everyone uses steal, some simply use the animation to scare you away from the trader to free it so they can trade. Those are not thieves
- not everyone walking next to you when trading is a thief. There are also (sometimes idolized) bursters who's friends will loot you
Not to mention some are just standing next to you waiting in line.
Personally at traders I'm more afraid of bursters than of thieves. Thieves are easier to avoid than bullets.
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The point was people are tired of the methods used to avoid thieves. They want change to that. It's not about bursters because they are just exploit and can be dealt with aswell.
--- Quote ---You're right. This game is filled with trolls and grievers. It doesn't depend on pc, but on personality.
Remove steal and they find other ways to troll. Both at traders and elsewhere.
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So you admit players use steal like griefing?
Sarakin:
--- Quote from: HertogJan on March 01, 2011, 09:59:15 AM ---
--- Quote ---5 happy players compared to 1 unhappy Rascal (thief) - which way should we go ?
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You should read better, he's not the only unhappy thief.
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Oh really ? It was just a comparison ::)
--- Quote from: HertogJan on March 01, 2011, 01:16:54 PM ---- not everyone uses steal, some simply use the animation to scare you away from the trader to free it so they can trade. Those are not thieves
- not everyone walking next to you when trading is a thief. There are also (sometimes idolized) bursters who's friends will loot you
Not to mention some are just standing next to you waiting in line.
Personally at traders I'm more afraid of bursters than of thieves. Thieves are easier to avoid than bullets.
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ad1 - If we cant recognize whether hes stealing or using reparir, theres always threat that you are going to be robbed
ad2 - Theres defense against that, not to mention I havent seen suicide bursters for a long time (Im not speaking about idolizing, its going to change soon)
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