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Raegann:

--- Quote from: Attero on January 29, 2010, 05:10:53 pm ---the problem is not with running into pk'ers but being runned into . They can be only in one spot so chances drop terribly compared when they are swooping the desert with taxi ...

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Oh man, it quite doesn't matter if it is you swooping the desert and running into pk group or if it is pk group swooping desert running into you. :)

--- Quote from: Attero on January 29, 2010, 05:10:53 pm ---
So you probably never runned into lucrative spot :] and so also you probably didnt got found by swoopers either ... 2 points of vierw hmm ?
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Yes, two points of view. Anyway I'm able to get on lvl +- 10 items like LSWs, FN FALs, Laser Rifles and so on on solo, so I don't think I can't find a lucrative spot (still without not being pked every time). Being not found-killed by swoopers often is about finding lucrative and not well known places, about player's skills.

--- Quote from: Attero on January 29, 2010, 05:10:53 pm ---
but the numbers i mentioned are real , centaur / floater is worth 650 exp  , humanoid with SG 80-120 , mutated sizzles less then 30-60...
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Oh, if you want you can very easily kill just centaurs/ floaters. There are areas, where there is almost nothing else. As well if fed up with centaurs, you can go to areas where are almost only humanoids with loot. It's just about what you want and if able to achieve it.

--- Quote from: Attero on January 29, 2010, 05:10:53 pm ---
Joining faction doesnt cost you directly (unless they would ask cash lol). But it does in longer run - basicly said : you can either join faction that will want you or you can join faction that you will want - differance is power.
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I think joining faction is well worth the cost, if any. Also what you write is only a theory, practically you can join a faction that will want you and which you want to join at the same time - it's not either.. or (I guess it would be nonsense to join faction you don't want to and especially it would be nonsense if some faction which doesn't want you as a member will let you join :D).

--- Quote from: Attero on January 29, 2010, 05:10:53 pm ---
Name one ? make sure its well known...
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Almost all shards of Ultima Online in my country (+- 300 players in rush hours for the biggest one.. which is quite good for local character and such archaic game).

--- Quote from: Attero on January 29, 2010, 05:10:53 pm ---
maybe , but the thing is that at 1-2 lv (dont remember) stupid scorpion is worth 120 exp at lv 6 and above its maybe worth 20 maybe ..
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This is on another discussion. I would personally like if the lower xp for crit. issue develops faster in time to the previous values (like if you didn't kill a scorp for 24 real hours it should raise again a little).

--- Quote from: Attero on January 29, 2010, 05:10:53 pm ---
there is lack in progression with creeps - or i beein at least unluckly not to find critters with ~200 for lv 8 ;]
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Well, you are. 150-250 xp may be some: ghouls, mobsters, immature deathclaws, "strong" slavers, bootleggers, marauders, NCR Rangers/ Caravan guards maybe also, Fire Geckos.. not sure about all of it but almost all of these can be met on regular basis.. you may as well search the wiki with "xp=whatever" to find values by yourself.

--- Quote from: Attero on January 29, 2010, 05:10:53 pm --- however i woudlnt see why the game shouldt have 10k players when it will be ready..

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Because the competition is so high and free games can never be compared to payed monthly. However I think that FOnline does great job and actually is better than many games which are paid for. I think that free games would even have troubles supporting problem free entertainment for thousands of people (for sure expect some text games etc.), in the mean of hardware and in the mean of GM team.

Attero:

--- Quote ---Oh man, it quite doesn't matter if it is you swooping the desert and running into pk group or if it is pk group swooping desert running into you. Smiley
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it does , i never runned into them its alwayes other way around...


--- Quote ---Yes, two points of view. Anyway I'm able to get on lvl +- 10 items like LSWs, FN FALs, Laser Rifles and so on on solo, so I don't think I can't find a lucrative spot (still without not being pked every time). Being not found-killed by swoopers often is about finding lucrative and not well known places, about player's skills.
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--- Quote ---Well, you are. 150-250 xp may be some: ghouls, mobsters, immature deathclaws, "strong" slavers, bootleggers, marauders, NCR Rangers/ Caravan guards maybe also, Fire Geckos.. not sure about all of it but almost all of these can be met on regular basis.. you may as well search the wiki with "xp=whatever" to find values by yourself.
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i expecially said critters - humanoids are good if they hit soemthign else i wouldnt survive group shooting FN fals / LSW for more then one round .. and if you run into critters "unocupied" you can alwayes run away , for humanoids they will shoot your ass at least huritng you severaly ( had once first shot crit - knockout /gg)
small deathclaws would be ok but they exist in caves only i think (only once saw one outside) and TB in cave = 5 min rounds ...
Rangers = huh ? i wanan be firendly with them .....


--- Quote ---Almost all shards of Ultima Online in my country (+- 300 players in rush hours for the biggest one.. which is quite good for local character and such archaic game).
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gah Ultima .. something else please ;p ultima is beyond my understanding how one can play it (same as tibia and other shit with that level of gfx)



--- Quote ---I think joining faction is well worth the cost, if any. Also what you write is only a theory, practically you can join a faction that will want you and which you want to join at the same time - it's not either.. or (I guess it would be nonsense to join faction you don't want to and especially it would be nonsense if some faction which doesn't want you as a member will let you join Cheesy).
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You didnt understand me - not at all ... and i will not elaborate, anyone with extensive guild expirience  should know what i mean..

Raegann:

--- Quote from: Attero on January 29, 2010, 07:00:40 pm ---it does , i never runned into them its alwayes other way around...
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Well, this has no objective value. I personally did run into them and also our group had many times strangers running into us. And you will run into them more often, if the Outdoorsman gets your "fix".

--- Quote from: Attero on January 29, 2010, 07:00:40 pm ---i expecially said critters - humanoids are good if they hit soemthign else i wouldnt survive group shooting FN fals / LSW for more then one round .. and if you run into critters "unocupied" you can alwayes run away , for humanoids they will shoot your ass at least huritng you severally ( had once first shot crit - knockout /gg)
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But some from the list have such short range or uses only mellee. I don't see a point here. Someone is able to kill them on lvl 8 and someone isn't, but that's a problem of your build probably (aren't you mellee/ unarmed?). Also with LSWs I often see those dumb NPCs shooting their comrades instead of me, which actually really helps.

--- Quote from: Attero on January 29, 2010, 07:00:40 pm ---small deahclaws wouuld be ok but htey exist in caves onlyi think (only once saw one outside) and TB in cave = 5 min rounds ...
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I think in caves you're likely to meet a mature deathclaw. I know this about TB, you have either wait for fix, use RT, get used to it or don't go inside. :)

--- Quote from: Attero on January 29, 2010, 07:00:40 pm ---gah Ultima .. something else please ;p ultima is beyond my understanding how one can play it (same as tibia and other shit with that level of gfx)
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You talk like FOnline (don't forget Ultima may be heavily modded too) is way more better, pal.  ::) You know, some people just have other requirements for entertainment. You said one, here it is. :) And it has comparable number of players to other free games.

--- Quote from: Attero on January 29, 2010, 07:00:40 pm ---You didnt understand me - not at all ... and i will not elaborate, anyone with extensive guild expirience  should know what i mean..
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Man, anyone with extensive guild experience is probably going to have a faction till lvl 8 as I did (both pre-wipe and after-wipe for me). And I'm totally satisfied and believe my faction too (actually they often make me lead a party - and not because of CH stat). It's not me saying how everything is screwed, how I'm unsatisfied and failing and looking for self-justification and why everything is impossible, so I guess any problem is just very subjective on this matter.
I mean you won't probably make it to the top PvP faction on lvl 8 being taken for town raids or town control events, but everything comes with time. I also had no problem changing faction to fit me better, when I felt like it (and being still welcome in my previous faction bases) and also was able to pay 1/3 of caps needed for the biggest base by the time.

Lexx:

--- Quote from: Badger on January 29, 2010, 05:49:18 pm ---I'd like to know if the MODDB publicity has actually helped expand the playerbase.
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Not much, as far as I can see. It's true that we now have 350 players again at high times. But before it was 200 to 250... so it's actually not that much. Or let's say... ingame you don't really feel the new people.

Attero:

--- Quote ---Well, this has no objective value. I personally did run into them and also our group had many times strangers running into us. And you will run into them more often, if the Outdoorsman gets your "fix".
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my 10 outdoor doesnt feel endangered by such change ><


--- Quote ---But some from the list have such short range or uses only mellee. I don't see a point here. Someone is able to kill them on lvl 8 and someone isn't, but that's a problem of your build probably (aren't you mellee/ unarmed?). Also with LSWs I often see those dumb NPCs shooting their comrades instead of me, which actually really helps.
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Yea the bugged ones or when the fight vs others - but part that like i said humanoids are pain coz a hunting rifle goul shots your as for 20-30 per one at huuge range ... well sometimes even desert eagle ones push over 20 per hit .. and at 8 you have around 70 - not much beatign you can stand ... not melee then i dying wouldnt cost me too much ;p


--- Quote ---You talk like FOnline (don't forget Ultima may be heavily modded too) is way more better, pal.  Roll Eyes You know, some people just have other requirements for entertainment. You said one, here it is. Smiley And it has comparable number of players to other free games.
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No its like saying that in hell it looks same as in heaven but its hotter >< Yes Fonline doesnt use candy gfx but on this part you are probably right if i wouldnt play Fallout those over 10y ago then i wouldnt be interested in fonline now. Basicly after plaing p2p mmo free ones doesnt cut it (fonline is special shush)... now i wonder if interplay will make Fmmo...


--- Quote ---Man, anyone with extensive guild experience is probably going to have a faction till lvl 8 as I did (both pre-wipe and after-wipe for me). And I'm totally satisfied and believe my faction too (actually they often make me lead a party - and not because of CH stat). It's not me saying how everything is screwed, how I'm unsatisfied and failing and looking for self-justification and why everything is impossible, so I guess any problem is just very subjective on this matter.
I mean you won't probably make it to the top PvP faction on lvl 8 being taken for town raids or town control events, but everything comes with time. I also had no problem changing faction to fit me better, when I felt like it (and being still welcome in my previous faction bases) and also was able to pay 1/3 of caps needed for the biggest base by the time.
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huh ? i just suggested removal of PC names form encounter window to reduce the amount of unwanted open pvp , and you claim how i'm failing looool - going same way of thinking i could say you try to justify farming lowbies as valid way of getting cash ... lol
As for factions - i dont like to owe anyone , i dont jump guilds sorry and hate people that do. ofc i could join some faction , was even offered , but i dont wanna , i wouldnt be able to stand lowbie hunting from high lv members and say its fine coz it doesnt happened to me.

Its about how matured player you are, either you like killing others for sake of it regardless if they are able to stand any chance or you want to win in fair fight where enemy is prepared and willing to fight

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