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Raegann:

--- Quote from: Attero on January 29, 2010, 03:43:10 pm ---No routes between cities are actually safe , we speak of areas where grinding is very lucrative (groups fight vs groups and you can just sit back and finish them one by one when they fight each other ..) in those spots you will find groups led by high charisma + outdoors players that look for "player encoutners"
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Why should some lowbie be protected when grinding some very lucrative areas? You just have to choose some other place, if you only go around NCR, you can tell for sure you will meet some player in no time. Just don't do that. There is plenty of areas, where you would never expect a lucrative spawns, but well, they're there and almost nobody grinding them, because it is no predictable. You just have to explore and not do everything in predictable way as everyone else. PKs bank on players being predictable and going to predictable areas. There is no reason one should have reward for being predictable and average player.

--- Quote from: Attero on January 29, 2010, 03:43:10 pm ---heh none will protect you for free - this or other way they will want something in return and actually when being jumped by 2-4 players you more likely need a whole group to help you lol ...
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Then get into some faction, find some friends. Guess what - they will protect you for free.

--- Quote from: Attero on January 29, 2010, 03:43:10 pm ---And as for supporing lowbie hunting - for some time now mmos got noob protection as high priority , it feels like at beggining of mmos where just newly made cahracter could be chopped for the little cash he menaged to farm or simply for the fun of it - they died quite fast even through being free...
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It depends on the type of mmo. I personally have played mmos which had no noob protection at all. You know, if the game system gonna protect you for some time, you will just find later, how hard it is to make living. I think it is better to get all the ass-kicks soon, you will learn and eventually become experienced player with some playing skills. Protecting newbies/ lowbies by system is just the bear service. Just get a tent at first few levels, then you can farm stuff and never leave with anything you can't lack. There is no point in collecting stuff, if you haven't tent. Actually I did few characters lvl 3/4 with bare hands and by the time I had those 10 skins+some cash in bank. Never cried about losing low end equipment, even if it was my last one.
It's just pointless.. as long as PKs are a normal part of game, they have the same right to grind noobs as noobs have right to grind lucrative spawns, waiting till the two groups of NPCs kill themselves and then only loot stuff without any effort. Thanks god there is any risk besides predictable AI.

--- Quote from: Attero on January 29, 2010, 04:11:15 pm ---its fail thinking
1) there is real lack of good exp spots - the ratio is around 1:10 (good spot : others ) and with the exp drop with higher levels i can only guess how the ratio will grow above 15 lv ..
2) lucartive spots arnt that lucrative when you need to share with others ..
3) the chat options are rather limited here so making group is another hassle


and finally this is blind wheel - when one needs to level while being constantly killed and forced to the boring craft over and over by the time he is "strong" he hates everyone so much that he goes PKing lowbies himself ...


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1) highly depends on area. You know, on lvl 15 you should already know places where are +- 1k xp critters. Also by lvl 15 you should learn more ways to gain xp.
2) it's easy - go alone and find something less dangerous (and less lucrative) or go in group and share.. if you are lowbie, there is no reason why you should grind the most lucrative critters alone. omg you really shouldn't be semi-good on lvl 5 grinding centaurs and enclave with bare hands - what would you do on lvl 21? Multi-kill on sight with eyes?

the last sentence is only by personal (moral :p) preferences.. you can as well hate pkers and help lowbies

Archvile:

--- Quote from: Attero on January 29, 2010, 04:11:15 pm ---its fail thinking
1) there is real lack of good exp spots - the ratio is around 1:10 (good spot : others ) and with the exp drop with higher levels i can only guess how the ratio will grow above 15 lv ..
2) lucartive spots arnt that lucrative when you need to share with others ..
3) the chat options are rather limited here so making group is another hassle
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1) comfy, aren't we?
2) comfy, aren't we?
3) comfy, aren't we?


--- Quote ---and finally this is blind wheel - when one needs to level while being constantly killed and forced to the boring craft over and over by the time he is "strong" he hates everyone so much that he goes PKing lowbies himself ...
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Bullshit.

Attero:
no i dont say lowbie needs to be protected while grinding lucrative spots but supporting hunters by giving them players name in encoutner window is just bad . You could still hunt the lucrative spots and when seeing encounter they could still jump in and see if there is some player fighting but hten they would also risk that rather then finding solo player they can find a group of players ...

but lucrative spots - like i said the ratio is sick - i will mention numbersi f you desire ..in lucrative spot i can get over 5k exp from encounter in others having 500 is being "lucky"

1:10 is insane ratio - most games introduce something called risk : reward but the ratio is 1:2 ; 1:3 (comparing risky spot to safe ) at most not 1:10 and more ..



no faction is not free ; and finding high lv firends is rather hard ó

 
hard to belive there is good mmo out there with no noob protection ... the last one i would say was AoC - it was quite harsh game at start but they added the protection eventually ... well the game died before they did but its how it ends ...


3/4 lv ? wtf is that thats not what im speaking about 3/4 you can hit with your hands tied ... problems start at 8lv where you need to carry some valuable gear to be able to kill anything woth decent exp and now you get lowbie hutners on your ass...



@ Archvile - lacking argument arnt we?

Raegann:

--- Quote from: Attero on January 29, 2010, 04:30:07 pm ---no i dont say lowbie needs to be protected while grinding lucrative spots but supporting hunters by giving them players name in encoutner window is just bad . You could still hunt the lucrative spots and when seeing encounter they could still jump in and see if there is some player fighting but hten they would also risk that rather then finding solo player they can find a group of players ...
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Every coin has two sides. It will be then pointless for lowbie to invest in outdoors (which can be quite high on lvl 8 ) to prevent jumping into group of PKers. You know - PKs will just get used to it and deploy in the lucrative area and instead of traveling, they will be just waiting for noobs in the position - you will have no chance to prevent the encounter with them and ooops - there is another suggestion how being no able to prevent this is supporting lowbie hunters. You just have to adapt. You can minimize the risk if the first thing you do in the encounter with NPCs is going near the grid so you can leave in one turn (I tried personally and it really saves life).

--- Quote from: Attero on January 29, 2010, 04:30:07 pm ---1:10 is insane ratio - most games introduce something called risk : reward but the ratio is 1:2 ; 1:3 (comparing risky spot to safe ) at most not 1:10 and more ..
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Your 1:10 ratio is simply not based on any facts, maybe just on your gameplay experience, which is spoiled if you are failing almost all the time (I guess this is the reason you wrote this suggestion). I have chars with level about 8-12 and I have very different numbers. In fact I'm able to bring many guns back to my place and just fail in about 1/5 of attempts.

--- Quote from: Attero on January 29, 2010, 04:30:07 pm ---no faction is not free ; and finding high lv firends is rather hard รณ
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I did find faction on lvl +- 9 just for having a conversation with a single person. It cost me nothing and I even received some stuff. Since then it was only better. You just need some luck and have to try. I even didn't need forum or IRC to find a faction, so it is in fact quite easy (as subjective feeling as yours).

--- Quote from: Attero on January 29, 2010, 04:30:07 pm ---
hard to belive there is good mmo out there with no noob protection ... the last one i would say was AoC - it was quite harsh game at start but they added the protection eventually ... well the game died before they did but its how it ends ...
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Well, there are. :)

--- Quote from: Attero on January 29, 2010, 04:30:07 pm ---
3/4 lv ? wtf is that thats not what im speaking about 3/4 you can hit with your hands tied ... problems start at 8lv where you need to carry some valuable gear to be able to kill anything woth decent exp and now you get lowbie hutners on your ass...
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If it was so easy for you, being on lvl 8 you just should be well prepared. If you aren't someone may as well say, that the game is actually very easy for starters and therefor they learn nothing in the process of xping. :)

Lexx:

--- Quote from: Attero on January 29, 2010, 04:30:07 pm ---hard to belive there is good mmo out there with no noob protection ... the last one i would say was AoC - it was quite harsh game at start but they added the protection eventually ... well the game died before they did but its how it ends ...
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Yeh, yeh. Since august 2009 people tell us that the game will be dead in few weeks. Still, amount of playing users didn't lowered.

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