Other > Suggestions

Scavenging instead of crafting.

<< < (5/8) > >>

Kilgore:

--- Quote from: Eternauta on February 08, 2011, 07:15:47 PM ---Only players are able to become a small gang raping everyone with tier 3 armor and weapons.
--- End quote ---
What's the difference between a small gang raping everyone with hunting rifles and a small gang raping everyone with avengers?

To be honest, I personally think that getting stuff through scavenging and some simple crafting is WAY better than digging ore and transforming it into sophisticated stuff at workbench. Just when I read some ideas like "weapons/ammo should be scarce so people will fight with worse equipment" I'm wondering if it's written by someone who plays this game for 1 month or something.. in 2nd session, you wanted a shitload of ammo for your minigun, you killed a caravan or two and you had it. In 3rd session, getting ammo started to be painful, and...

...did it change anything? Did people stopped using miniguns to kill some poor bluesuits who hoped their deaths will ruin their killers? The answer is: NO.

The only result was actually some whining from those who had to waste more time on sth they don't like (crafting) to be able to do what they like ("pwning bluesuits with minigun" or doing whatever you can imagine with it).

Eternauta:
Well Kilgore,


--- Quote ---What's the difference between a small gang raping everyone with hunting rifles and a small gang raping everyone with avengers?
--- End quote ---

You can't pwn anything you want with a hunting rifle.


--- Quote ---...did it change anything? Did people stopped using miniguns to kill some poor bluesuits who hoped their deaths will ruin their killers? The answer is: NO.
--- End quote ---

Well now THAT is more like an argument here :) My answer to that is related to this part as well:


--- Quote ---The only result was actually some whining from those who had to waste more time on sth they don't like (crafting) to be able to do what they like ("pwning bluesuits with minigun" or doing whatever you can imagine with it).
--- End quote ---

Some people like crafting. And you shouldn't just be able to go kill anyone you want. There should be limit and consequences.

Crazy:

--- Quote from: Eternauta on February 08, 2011, 08:46:02 PM ---Some people like crafting.

--- End quote ---

And some don't. I think allowing many path to get stuff is good: scavenging, farming, trading, and crafting.


--- Quote from: Eternauta on February 08, 2011, 08:46:02 PM ---And you shouldn't just be able to go kill anyone you want. There should be limit and consequences.
--- End quote ---

What prevent other player to do same things as the "gang p0wning everyone" to be able to crush it? It work.

Kilgore:

--- Quote from: Eternauta on February 08, 2011, 08:46:02 PM ---You can't pwn anything you want with a hunting rifle.

--- End quote ---
Wrong, if hunting rifle was the best gun you could get in the game, then yes, "your small gang" could "pwn anything" you wanted with it. It doesn't matter if it's vindicator, avenger, flamer or 10mm pistol, as long as it's the best (more or less) gun available. Of course it will look better when raiders use some stuff like hunting or assault rifle, but overall feeling of those that get raped by it doesn't change, does it?

Eternauta:

--- Quote from: Crazy on February 08, 2011, 08:50:46 PM ---I think allowing many path to get stuff is good: scavenging, farming, trading, and crafting.

--- End quote ---

Dude, that was my point since the beggining... scavenging should be better, farming should be possible but with consequences, etc...


--- Quote from: Kilgore on February 08, 2011, 08:53:33 PM ---Wrong, if hunting rifle was the best gun you could get in the game, then yes, "your small gang" could "pwn anything" you wanted with it. It doesn't matter if it's vindicator, avenger, flamer or 10mm pistol, as long as it's the best (more or less) gun available. Of course it will look better when raiders use some stuff like hunting or assault rifle, but overall feeling of those that get raped by it doesn't change, does it?

--- End quote ---

Yeah of course you are right, but there should still be consequences for such actions.

---EDIT---

Okay sorry for the quick answer, I will try to make my ideas clear:

Just like Crazy said, there should be different ways of getting stuff. But I believe that getting gear should be related to the player's freedom and his connections with NPC factions. I think that Player driven faction should be able to choose between being "independent", or becoming a satellite group of a NPC faction. So for example:

-Scavenging: everyone can do this freely, and nobody will get mad at you if you do it. However, you will only get deteriorated and low tier gear. Scavenging could get an overhaul - getting metal from cars, for example, gunshop random encounters, etc...

-Crafting: low tier gear can be crafted freely, and will get you 0% det items. However, in order to craft some specific kind of tier 3 (and maybe even tier 2) items, you need to join a specific NPC faction which will give you blueprints once you get a certain reputation with them/complete some quest/something similar. Or you can buy the blueprint from a Player who belongs to that faction (and he will lower his reputation with them).

-Trading: you can freely trade low tier gear with most NPC merchants. But to get better gear, you need to trade with other Player driven factions, or with NPC merchants from NPC factions, and this requires a certain reputation with that NPC faction. If you belong to a NPC faction and trade the special items you get from them (crafted with their blueprints), you will lose reputation with your boss, no matter if you give those items to other players or to NPCs from another faction. The same happens if you sell their blueprints.

-Farming: you can do it almost freely. If you attack NPCs who belong to the same NPC faction as you, your reputation will be lowered. The same happens if you attack other Players who belong to that faction. Attacking NPCs who are "neutral" or belong to another faction might have no effect on your reputation, or maybe depending to the relationship they have with the faction you belong to.

That's it.

Navigation

[0] Message Index

[#] Next page

[*] Previous page