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Knockdown and knockback for Melee and Unarmed

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Gorlak:

--- Quote from: kraskish on May 11, 2010, 05:05:55 pm ---Melee should have often knockdown and knockback on humanoids. Just think if you were hit by a (sledgehammer about 5kgs right?) in your Torso thinking of a animation like in Fallout you would definitely fall.

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Yea. It does, and it works fine
In fact I made a video because I was bored,  to show how npc's don't react hostile if you hit their friends, but it also shows how knockback does work.
Aimed shots, Unaimed shots  both do alot of KB/KD , supersledge, crowbar, combat knife, spear they all work, if you dont see it....Make a better melee build.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qxxIPFnvWyY

Ombra:
With Super Sledge always attacking eyes, huh?  :)

Make the same video with Spear and Combat Knife.

Hololasima:
Ok, meele characters are maybe good, with Super Sledge. And Unarmed ?

FischiPiSti:
Unarmed is a crippler imo. At least, i can -in theory- cripple both legs or arms in one turn, but to be fair, other characters can do that too...

Only problem is, that if youre against a char with high endurance(pvp), theres only a small chance to cripple...
http://falloutmods.wikia.com/wiki/Critical_hit_tables
The parts with "Roll EN or get 'effect'"

Secondary attacks should have an effect that lowers EN of the enemy. Like certain item perks reduce AC, or DR... They cost even more AP then aimed sniper shots, and tbh, i dont see any benefits to use them, because i can just try to cripple twice with haymaker in a turn.
The armor piercing effect is useless, because:
Piercing Kick

    Requirements: Unarmed 125%, Agility 8, Strength 6, Level 15
    Damage: +12, armor piercing
    AP: 9
    Critical Chance: +50%
With the bonus of aimed shot+50%, you will score a guarenteed crit every time afaik, and most critical effects bypass armor anyway, and doesnt need an EN or LK roll to get the effect.
If piercing strikes could have an increased crippling chance(with the help of reduced EN) i would surely use it more often. My 2 cents

Ombra:

--- Quote from: Hololasima on May 13, 2010, 07:33:55 pm ---Ok, meele characters are maybe good
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No.
I don't give a fuck about what Bob say, Melee need reworks exactly like Unarmed. Only 'cause he can pwn some noobs means nothing.
I see many people complaining about Melee and just him say "Oh no, you are all noobs, HtH are good as they are".

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