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avv:

--- Quote from: Lordus on January 21, 2011, 01:01:38 PM ---What is realistic on fact that you die because some 5ns latency firepower spawn few hexes near you? And comparsion with player CA and avenger is nonsene. If you spawn with your main avatar, you risk immediate death and than 2-5 minutes regroup (IF YOU DONT CHEAT). You dont risk ANYTHING with supermutants leaders, YOU DONT NEED TO CONTROL THEM, you can HARVEST THEM FOR FREE, you RUIN REAL PLAYERS PVP SESSION.
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5 muties also cost more than CA and avenger, so obviously CAvenger risks more. But honestly, can't you see it: it doesn't matter how the mutants act or what do they do to pvp. What matters is that the leader bought the mutants with caps because he had enough caps. He bought power. He uses this power to bring down enemies. This is how pvp works in most cases.

Heckler Spray:
I wouldn't say artillery, because in real life, artillery can't shoot from point blank range, soldiers don't want to commit suicide.
These mutants are more like berserkers troops.
Maybe it should be changed, make them "smarter" (don't know if it's possible), and make them change their weapon when they are at close range.
No more massive spawn at exit grid.
This way, PvP with this kind of mercs would stay interesting without being overpowered.
There still is the "instant-kill at spawn" problem, though.

Lordus:

--- Quote from: avv on January 21, 2011, 01:09:24 PM ---5 muties also cost more than CA and avenger, so obviously CAvenger risks more. But honestly, can't you see it: it doesn't matter how the mutants act or what do they do to pvp. What matters is that the leader bought the mutants with caps because he had enough caps. He bought power. He uses this power to bring down enemies. This is how pvp works in most cases.

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 Problem is, that BALANCED game should have countermeasure against every possible threat. If you have biggunners on plains, use snipers. If you have snipers in streets, use biggunners. If you have snipers x snipers at planes, better tactic and manouvering or number win. If you have big gun x big gun in streets, better tactic, manouvering, numbers win.

 If you have players on main street in Redding, you are instakilled without any possible chance to defend. Killed by polish boy with proxy and mutant leaders. Whats point od this kind of PvP. I want challenge real players skill, not stupid game mechanic abusers.

 Spawnkill using ARTILERY is mechanics abusing.

 Try to implement this in games like WoW (i did not played it ever) or TF2, or whatever and look at reactions. Seriously, i have own selfrespect to not be a toy or puppet for polish teen game mechanics abusers. Until this will be fixed, i dont see any point to play PvP and in fact to do one reasonable thing for old Fonline player.

SOLUTIONS:
 temporary invulnerability (like in second era), negative karma for every your merc you lost (but still lvl1 leadership abusing), temporary freeze of mercs entering cities (so defenders could DEFEND),....

avv:

--- Quote from: Lordus on January 21, 2011, 01:25:03 PM ---Problem is, that BALANCED game should have countermeasure against every possible threat.
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In the end this game is balanced on people's freetime. More time = more stuff. More stuff = more power. If your enemy has lots of time, you defeat it by having even more time.

Deep:
I exacly know what packs of mutants can do during TC. Most of maps got some points where as team who take city got great defence points which are just impossible to defeat. Another team who want to attack them without mercs can only defeat or just back to map. As Lordus said for example in Redding. It would be only PvP fights if all gangs wont use mercs or superms will be deleted from TC. But then it will be problems like some  X gang when lost with other Ygang will try to make alliance and simply swarmed.
PS. Yes last battles are like starcraft game... i think it not problem for other team to buy 40super mutants too but do all really want fights like this ?

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