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[Noctambulant]

I'm not sure if this is a bug, something is wrong client-side, or there was a recent change I was unaware of (couldn't find anything in the changelog, or any similar forum posts talking about this) but steal doesn't seem to be working anymore.

Even when I steal successfully from a neutral party in a random encounter, they all shoot me. I haven't tested this in town yet, because I'm not that kind of stealer. Does anyone else have this issue?

[RavenousRat]

Probably the same problem:
http://fodev.net/forum/index.php?topic=12019.msg99208#msg99208

wtf did u do with my thief?

with 300 steal and pickpocket it's suddenly gets fail over and over again ! ? wtf

my teamm8s have the same situation WTF....

this char is now useless .........................

May be Steal formula changed, so now you fail more often or something.

[Lordus]

 I think that the problem was, that you were able to harvest indefinetely amount of ammo from Enclave or BROS in random encounters. There exist techniques that you succesfull at any time. This totaly degrade the sense of crafting trading and cause of huge stuff inflation.

[Noctambulant]

I wouldn't mind if that were the case, however it seems to be a 100% fail rate at this point.

I'm also confused because there is no mention of this in the change log at all.... you'd think something this major would be mentioned?

[avv]

I wouldn't mind if that were the case

You wouldn't mind economy breaking?

[Noctambulant]

You wouldn't mind economy breaking?

Some kind of change to the steal skill I meant.

[Rascal]

wtf thief is a build like just others.
U have to exp him up to 21lvl so it's cost u a loot of effort.
300 skill i stel etc.

It's reasonable that such char CAN steal stuff, otherwise a part of this game is dead. It was hard to steal - it wasn't like in f1 / f2 where u can just go to every shopkeeper with 40% skill in stealing and take PA without any problem.  300% skill and pickpocket perk is max what u can get in this game an now even with such skill u can rly do shit.

[Vindict]

stealing needed changes  but I don't know if it's a right call. but at least it's better than before.

yesterday some thief robbed me in NCR, I didin't mind because all I had was some crappy items and I just wanted him to fail once so I could shoot him. so I was standing right in front of him to make him fail, but still he menaged to steal like 10 different items and didin't fail once. I just watched my inventory dissapear.

how can someone steal over 10 items in a row when I was facing him and my character didin't notice it? I have 9 Perception for christ sake. it's not like I'm playing a retarded, drooling, blind, deaf wastelander without arms and legs.

[Floodnik]

If developers did the nerf on purpose, then...
They are doing it wrong.

[Atom]

They (encounter guards) don't care what you're doing 1 hex next to them, they will always open fire as long you are doing that for more than N seconds. That's why the "Keep your distance" yelling. N is just a bit too low recently (fixed on next update), but stealing itself works as before (one of "befores", anyway), except with increasing xp (due to increased difficulty) for consecutive steals from the same critter.

[EnergyForYou]

ohh , so this is good , just we must wait until next Update :/

[HertogJan]

As Atom said, you always get shot when being too close to a parties in encounters unless you're in that faction.
So as BoS faction member you can get close to BoS, as VC citizen you can get close to VC members in encounters.
The rules for looting don't change in such a case. You still have to wait till they're done.

As for stealing, I didn't notice any difference with before the wipe. Than again, I never tried stealing in encounters.